FOX News: The Trump Mar-a-Lago search was justified.

the error here is that the papers belong to the office not the person. They are transferred to the archive and saved for the former presidents library. The former holder of the office of President gets a library to house them in and with some culling for security are made available for future researchers.

 

The Mental Masturbation here is staggering!

 

There were receipts. Pages 6 and 7 list the boxes and items recovered under the warrant. Not every box or item was marked classified. 11 were out of 28 listings, most concerning is the top secret and TS/SCI stuff which presumably would be the “nuclear” documents.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22131470/fbi-search-warrant-mar-a-lago.pdf

 

No mental masturbation needed when you are dealing with facts.

Of the tens of thousands of emails investigators reviewed, 113 contained classified information, and three of those had classification markers. Former FBI Director James Comey said in 2016 that Clinton should have known that some of the 113 were classified, but others she might have understandably missed. In a sign of the uncertainty around classification, in 2018, a Justice Department report found that the classification markings were not clear.
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Of the emails that might have been missed were emails that were the start of discussions that were classified, but contained nothing of national security importance. For example, there was an email where DOD asked Hillary Clinton about a potential leak on how information got to the NY Times, with a link to the Times article. A discussion about a potential leak is classified, but the article itself was public domain. And in response to the email, Clinton requested to move the conversation to something more secure.

 

Not the argument. The argument is about what constitutes executive privilege and how it has been treated in the past and how it is being treated presently. Either you do not want to understand this or you are purposely ignoring it.

Waiving executive privilege over documents for a political opponent and turning them over to the DOJ for a fishing expedition is what most non-partisan people would consider impeachable territory.

 

It's Get Trump No Matter What here.

 

Then maybe you should look for alternative responses that do not include insults about literacy.

 

I fully agree with that is what the receipt says and the "box marked top secret" is at least one they took, but it is nothing but your own conclusion what was in the box. We have no idea what actual documents were in the boxes. And if they were so top secret, why wait since May, when they knew they were in a "pool storage room"? Doesn't appear they had a lot of concern.
Just step back from trying so hard to indict Trump and look at the facts and the time line. Not at all saying Trump is innocent but to sit here and act as if the world will end if these documents get out then wait as long as they did is ludicrous. Either the documents are no big deal or the DOJ is so inept they waited months to recover them. Logic says it can't be both

 

Not a rhetorical question but do they? reading posts from trump followers losing it over a op Ed in Fox. Their fealty to trump is actually growing.

 

They had been working with Trump’s people and previously recovered 15 boxes. Sounds like he lied about the existence of these additional boxes (recovered only via search warrant) which should make you go “hmmmmmm”. The Trump lawyer signed a false affidavit, so at minimum that person will have some ‘splainin to do.

Yes, we don’t know what is in the “top-secret” or TS/SCI boxes. By their nature they may never be detailed exactly (though I hope we get some topical level detail). We just know the “leak” about some of the materials being nuclear.

Seems kind of strange your main complaint essentially boils down to: - “if it was so bad they should have raided Trump sooner”! Maybe… (just spitballing here)… they weren’t actually keen on “raiding” a former President? But mr. “I could shoot someone on 5th ave and get away with it” left them no other choice after their “asking nicely” for months came to a head.

 

No person has executive privilege. The office of President has it. The current President has the ability to grant it to others. But as former POTUS, Trump had none. Yes, that means he could divulge classified information because he has no more privilege, but then that would be against the Espionage Act.

And the raid on MAR was no fishing expedition. NARA tried for a year to get the documents back. They did recover about 60% in January, 2022. But by Feb, NARA realized there was more missing, including highly classified info. That's when the DOJ and FBI got involved. They first asked if there was any classified docs still at MAR. Trump lied in an affidavit and said no. The FBI then gained more intel on the classified info at MAR, and issued a subpoena for Trump to return them. Again, Trump didn't comply.

This isn't fishing. This is giving Trump the benefit of the doubt to return all classified information. In short, Trump was handled with baby gloves. Anyone else, and the FBI would have raided a long time ago.

As to why wait so long? The last thing the DOJ wants to do is look political. And they did try everything and anything to get the docs back before a raid was necessary.

 

Is that what happened though? Trump was asked to return documents he took. He refused. He was subpoenaed and he sent some. Then the fbi got a search warrant to retrieve the documents that Trump took but shouldn’t have. You are now buying the nonsense that Trump is spewing.

 

Hahahaha... says the guy who drinks from a fire hose of mis-information. Really too funny.

I'm not just referring to his speech. But everything that lead up to it.

Trump spent nearly every second of his time after the election stirring up hate and spreading lies about the election. He called his goons to DC on the day the count would be made telling them "it was going to be wild."

Giuliani spoke before Trump and literally called for Trial by Combat. Who Trump then thanked saying he was strong.

Minutes into Trumps speech you could here the crowd shouting "Fight for Trump!"

Trump may not have lit the fuse, but he sure as hell built that bomb.

 

One of the common themes of those who were convicted for their roles in 1/6 is they all believed they were following the president's orders.

 

Oh I have gone Hmmmmmm plenty of times already!!! Some about Trump and some about the opposition. If the country was in peril because of these "top secret" documents being stored in a pool storage room and they waited months to do something about it, should make all of us go what the hell is going on!!!! Calling out both Trump for taking and DOJ for waiting to recover!!
I try hard not to jump to conclusions one way or another, but for as much as the Trump hater crowd calling Trump supporters sycophants, trumpista's, cult members, etc...and believe everything he says, you guys are just as hard core the other direction.
I say bring the temp down a little and let's see what we have here before we burn a witch or turn them loose!!
Speculation after speculation is turning into fact on both sides of this argument, well in the minds of the hard core for both sides

 

His followers who claim that wasn’t his intention, do they think he is a genius or an idiot because if he didn’t know what his followers were going to do with his speech, then they must think he is an idiot.