Florida woman forced to give birth to a baby that will die immediately

I wonder if that bill is going to pass that does not allow any party who has ever supported slavery to be on the ballot in the state of Florida?

 

How about opposing fascists who want to involve themselves in others private medical decisions?

 

Supporting women who choose to have a baby? Maybe providing health care to the expectant woman and the eventual baby?

 

That is why I favor termination up to 18 years old. My dad instilled this by saying I brought you into this world and I can take you out.

 

You can tell this by the small African American support Democratd have. 92% support is a slam dunk indictment the democrats. They wished they had the GOPs race history so they could pick up the other 8%…. Wait wut?

 

Soul? If I lose my soul I will go get some more soul food. There are a couple of good soul food restaurants near me. The soul is not something that exists outside of religion.

 

What an incredible "intellectual" disconnect from reality. Sadly, I don't believe its repairable.

 

The only way Democrats are not the party of racism today is if you don’t count racism against White people and if you define racism as “prejudicial treatment of a specific race unless that race is arbitrarily characterized as ‘privileged.’”

 

My dad said that all kids should be put in a barrel with a hole cut in the side for food and air and when they turn 13 you plug the hole. My kids are 19, 17, 12. I sometimes get what he meant.

Now he says the rule doesnt apply to his grandkids.. lol.

 

Love that quote. It's a Mark Twain original. Back in the 80's Trucker and I saw Hal Holbrook enact Twain on stage at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta when he was touring with his one man Mark Twain Tonight performance. Brilliant. Also watched the one and only television broadcast of that show with my mother when it was performed on live TV in 1967. The performance was recorded but never repeated on TV as Holbrook and CBS could never come to an agreement on who owns the rights to the recording.

 

Once again apparently according to you a zygote the size of the head of pin or an early term fetus the size of a kidney bean both of which are biologically dependent on the mother and neither of which is capable of surviving outside of the womb even with extreme intervention are "people". As a mentioned in several other posts, do you believe that thousands of frozen embryos stored in a cryogenic receptacle should be counted for census purposes? If you're logically consistent the answer would have to be in the affirmative.

 

At what size does someone obtain personhood?

What logically consistent place does life begin that does not alter with the passage of time? Viability outside the womb changes with advances in medical technology.

Also, I don’t see why we can’t just not count them for census purposes while also not killing them.

 

Not size but at birth. Or if you want to go by British common law it happens at the quickening which is when the woman first feels the fetus kick. That happens between 16 and 20 weeks. We keep getting to similar times as a compromise position. Perhaps it’s because it makes sense.

 

Because your argument for why abortion should be illegal is that they are already people. If they are people, they need to be counted in the census, which is a count of all people. And yet, they aren't. Why not?

Viability is a logical place, even if it is not at a constant place in the development over time, because it is the point when the woman's body is no longer necessary. As such, it is a logical time at which there is a shift in the rights as birth could be induced at that point. BTW, of birth is induced, then you have a new person, with all the legal rights and responsibilities associated with that new person.

 

It is not misrepresentation, you just don't like that not everybody agrees with your framing. You have engaged in a lot of framing to justify your pride and judgement of others. You don't like to think about it because it challenges your entire world view, but that doesn't make it illogical. Just unpleasant to you.

 

Rather than size a more valid metric for when a fetus should be considered a human being would be when brain activity begins depending the source estimated from 16th though 24th week of gestation and possibly not until the 30th week. Considering that for determining the end of life brain activity is considered the defining metric not a heart beat, makes sense that it should also be the defining metric for determining when human life actually begins.

https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp2268

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Convenience is not equivalent to logically coherent.