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Florida woman forced to give birth to a baby that will die immediately

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Feb 26, 2023.

  1. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    We had a middle ground.
     
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  2. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Please don't discount it.... I mean... Sarah was 90 or 91 when Isaac was born they will say.o_O
     
  3. QGator2414

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    You should learn some biology. At conception a child is created (you and I were created at that point and time). With 23 chromosomes from our mother and father. Our own DNA separated from our mother.

    And what do you know. Tucked down in the article…”There is an exception for fatal fetal abnormalities if the fetus “has not reached viability,” according to the law.”

    Now I have not dug deep into the law and if it has ever been applied. Words cannot do anything to help the situation this mother is in. And I am not sure the right answer as I think there has to be exceptions in certain cases where the mothers life is in jeopardy. But we don’t just kill a child at 6 months old if they get a terminal diagnosis. And that appears to be what this terrible situation is…
     
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  4. g8trdoc

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    No she did not. Her choice was made when she decided to follow Jesus.
     
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  5. BLING

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  6. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

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    Good Lord. I can only hope that enough reasonable people will become disgusted at this stuff that there will be push back.
     
  7. l_boy

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    So you are asserting that your interpretation of Jesus should dictate laws? How is that different than Sharia Law?
     
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  8. dangolegators

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    And where in the NT does Jesus tell women not to have abortions?
     
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  9. GatorJMDZ

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    Just absolutely wrong from a biological standpoint. Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make you right, just consistently wrong.

    This should help from a website named "Clue":
    Fetus or baby? Why language around pregnancy matters

    At conception, a zygote is made, not a child. Next, the zygote becomes an embryo, the embryo becomes a fetus and after giving birth, you have a child. That's biology. Please learn some before you attempt to correct me again.

    A fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken or a chick. If you are sent to the store to get some chicken and you come home with fertilized chicken eggs, chances are you will not be sent to the store again without pictures of what you were supposed to buy.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    Thanks for showing that at conception you and I each began as a zygote with 23 chromosomes from our father and 23 chromosomes from our mother. It is when our life began.

    Don’t quit your day job lol.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    Biology is not his strong suit so I wouldn’t expect anything different.
     
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  12. GCNumber7

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    23 months, no wonder she is experiencing discomfort.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    Sad. The letter of the law kills. But this is good in that it draws attention away from all the babies that are denied birth by way of government-sanctioned baby killing.
     
  14. WESGATORS

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    This may have already been covered, but FLORIDA law allows for exceptions due to fatal abnormalities. This instance is covered under the concept. The law isn't to blame here.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  15. WarDamnGator

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    Incorrect, and it was addressed in the OP link... The doctors said the fetus is past viability, so that exception doesn't apply to her...

    "There is an exception for fatal fetal abnormalities if the fetus “has not reached viability,” according to the law."

    .....

    But Dr. Berger, Dorbert’s primary care doctor, said in the medical field, fetus viability happens at 23-24 weeks, when Dorbert learned the news of her baby’s diagnosis.

    “Pass a law that defines viability in the way she describes it. That’s not how the medical community determines it. Be more specific. Don’t have ambiguities in your laws,” said Dr. Berger.
     
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  16. HeyItsMe

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    Hot take: God and Jesus don’t exist. Another hot take: I still respect you and your moms DECISION to follow Christianity. Key word here is decision.
     
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  17. tilly

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    Where does it say not to do a lot of things?

    Regardless, this is not what a pro life position should look like. Exceptions should 100% exist in these cases.

    This is the stuff that will destroy a reasoned pro life approach.
     
  18. tilly

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    Link?
     
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  19. VAg8r1

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    The question isn't whether a zygote is a living being. The question is whether it should be consider a human being with a right to life equal to that of the mother or for that matter every other human with a functioning brain and capable of independent existence absent biological support of another.
     
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  20. WarDamnGator

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    390.0111 Termination of pregnancies.—
    (1) TERMINATION AFTER GESTATIONAL AGE OF 15 WEEKS; WHEN ALLOWED.—A physician may not perform a termination of pregnancy if the physician determines the gestational age of the fetus is more than 15 weeks unless one of the following conditions is met:
    (a) Two physicians certify in writing that, in reasonable medical judgment, the termination of the pregnancy is necessary to save the pregnant woman’s life or avert a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman other than a psychological condition.
    (b) The physician certifies in writing that, in reasonable medical judgment, there is a medical necessity for legitimate emergency medical procedures for termination of the pregnancy to save the pregnant woman’s life or avert a serious risk of imminent substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman other than a psychological condition, and another physician is not available for consultation.
    (c) The fetus has not achieved viability under s. 390.01112 and two physicians certify in writing that, in reasonable medical judgment, the fetus has a fatal fetal abnormality.

    The "and" there means both parts have to be true ... in this case, her doctor says the fetus, at 23-24 weeks, is viable under Florida law.

    People can argue what the law meant to say, but it's clear what it actually does say. And if it was the legislature's intent to allow abortions for "fatal fetal abnormalities" in all cases, then why put the viability qualifier there at all? Seems like this would have worked just fine, if the legislature wasn't looking for any ways possible to limit abortions... (c) Two physicians certify in writing that, in reasonable medical judgment, the fetus has a fatal fetal abnormality.

    I should note that 390.01112 reference in the law I quoted only addresses viability to extent that it can be used to save the mother's life in an emergency, it doesn't define viability for the child, you can click on the link and see for yourself.
     
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