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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by QGator2414, Dec 8, 2022.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    @ajoseph ...you jabbing your young children/grandchildren with this shot? I hope you did not fall for the propaganda. There is a reason so few are jabbing their kids in this country even though our cdc has decided to not follow the science . And why so many countries recommend against it for young children.
     
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    If, given some miracle, the media turned on public health and did some hard investigates - and if it found evidence for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of injuries and deaths ... would the vax-compliant be chastened or would they do a Madeleine Albright ?
     
  3. ajoseph

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    I don’t have young children, and to my knowledge no grandchildren. However, here’s what I’d do: I’d advise my children to discuss the pros and the cons of the vaccine with their pediatrician and other medical providers. I’d advise them to listen intently to make informed decisions, as the health of my grandchildren would be of paramount importance.

    To me, as a lawyer and not a doctor, that is what informed decision-making is all about.

    I’d also strongly caution them against relying on an article that is neither peer-reviewed nor compliant with scientific analysis, and comes armed with explicit disclosures that the article should not be relied upon as a “study” or conclusion. I’d strongly caution them against relying on any report that would not make its way into admissibility in a court of law. I’d be very focal in my advice to not rely upon agenda-driven appointees who are routinely and rightfully criticized by their peers and superiors. And I would be very focal in cautioning my kids to look at agenda-driven statements that fall against the grain of the worldwide scientific community.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Peer-review is an old boy’s network, scientific analysis is the way the wind is bloating and who’s funding the studies and vaccines are foundational to what the technicians we call doctors do for a living. Translation: conflict of interest is pervasive.
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    I have children. I got them both jabbed. Maybe if we lived in Sweden, I would have acted differently. But I don't live in Sweden, and the CDC recommended my kids get jabbed. So did their pediatrician. So we jabbed them both.

    There are reasons why other countries feel less need to have children vaccinated. As this article states, Sweden's adult population is about 15% more vaccinated than the US, and Swedish children have lower instances of secondary health concerns that could make having a child have COVID more serious. With higher adult vaccination rates, and lower pre-existing conditions, the risk for Swedish kids is lower than the risk of US kids.

    As for myocarditis, the largest risk group is males ages 16-24, and even then, the incidence rate is 2 in 1 million vaccinated. And 90% of these cases are mild, requiring no intervention other than monitoring for a week or two. And again, the risk of myocarditis is greater if infected with COVID, versus getting the jab.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    I do get this. The gaslighting was stunningly effective. People were hammered into supine terror. I have a neighbor who, prior to mass-panic, was the neighborhood ambassador. He’s been reduced to a shell of that and rarely ventures farther than his mailbox.
     
  7. QGator2414

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    You have a lot of good thoughts here. They define why so few are joanjing their kids. They define why so few are taking a shot that has real consequences but is not needed for many.

    It is unacceptable we will not be able to hold these companies and public health officials accountable most likely. Hopefully we can make sure they are never able to do what they did again. The damage the caused and continue to cause is generational.

    Sadly the doctors have no reputable source to turn to right now.

    Anyone who says a child should take this shot that is a doctor is one not practicing proper medicine. That really goes up to about age 65 and honestly is likely everyone at this point based on seroprevalence.
     
  8. AzCatFan

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    What you call gaslighting, I call scientific research. And I too know people who have been effected by the pandemic to the point of complete agoraphobia. Science can help here too, including counseling, and understanding the facts about how the vaccine can help lower risks. Some people are just risk adverse by nature, and some over-reacted to a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic. This should be understood, but not ridiculed. It also shouldn't be called gaslighting. Because the facts are COVID quickly became the third leading cause of death, and the only one in the top 5 that is a communicable disease.
     
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    The thing that got me was the plan to have a grand jury to investigate doctors in Florida. As if there isn't already a Dept. of Professional Regulation and a state medical board and state medical association. By way of DeSantis saying he is forming a grand jury to look into it is to advertise that there IS malfeasance. The agenda is set. And not an agenda designed to attract and retain medical professionals. Just more performative politics designed to get DeSantis name in the media with no likelihood of producing anything helpful.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    I would hope DeSantis gets a kickback for leading his state out of hysteria.
     
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    Thank's to the sanity of Ron DeSantis and his picks. Florida ranks 14th out of the 50 states plus DC in Covid deaths per 100,000 (and I'm not referring to the fewest).
    U.S. COVID death rate by state 2022 | Statista
     
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  12. philnotfil

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    But age-adjusted we are pretty average.
     
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