Florida Supreme Court allows abortion & marijuana ballot initiatives; overturns abortion protections

My critique of living constitutionalists is that it comes from fuzzy and ill-defined places. Gives them the power to flip flop and really do whatever they want.

 

"SECTION 23. Right of privacy.—Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person’s private life except as otherwise provided herein. This section shall not be construed to limit the public’s right of access to public records and meetings as provided by law."

 

I think people discount how fired up this may make the pro-life voters too.

I have no idea how it pans out, but even never-Trumpers will have more reasons to show up.

 

No one is discounting this will fire up the anti-choicers. Thankfully, they are greatly outnumbered.

 

Yea, that was obvious

 

Outnumbered? Yes.

But many people dont have abortion high on their list and conservative anti lifers* will vote for other things first.

*Two can play that game.

 

They can’t use textual meaning?

As in the correct meaning of the text at the time, rather than the overturned incorrect meaning?

It’s not like Dobbs suggested the rationale of Roe was no longer accurate. It’s that it was never accurate. Dobbs simply clarified and corrected this error, which created this domino effect.

 

Judges across the board operate with a whole lot of cover.

Living constitutionalists happen to conveniently operate with the most.

 

In pretty much all other instances in recent years abortion referendums have gone decidedly towards abortion rights and ended up helping democrats exceed expectations. I’m not sure why you think this will be different.

Anti abortion voters are already likely voting and voting in one direction. I don’t think lots of them are staying home and will all of a sudden by inspired to vote.

 

I think this is an under-statement. I believe the anti-abortion crusaders will throw all remaining resources into a campaign to ensure the highest possible voter turnout. I’m not sure the women’s rights movement will be able to match the turnout (meaning, exceed the turnout by an over 60-40 percent margin). I think we will see exactly how far red Florida has become when the votes are all in.

 

I think you are discounting the resources that will be thrust into this campaign. I could be wrong and hope that I am, but I think this campaign — both sides — will be enormously funded.

 

The problem here is that even among Republicans, legal abortion is a majoritarian position. Anti-abortion people have been mobilized for decades (which is why we have state reps voting for a total ban already), and turning out less committed Republican voters doesn't guarantee a "no" vote an abortion. The anti crowd should hope for a typical to low turnout to win. High turnout is good for Republicans in Florida to win elections, but bad for the ballot initiatives they want to fail.

 

I think this makes my point.

I dont think this really drives the needle much in either direction. People moved by the issue already vote. I am just confused why people think this only applies to the choice side?

 

Because of several instances since Dobbs where democrats have overperformed, especially where abortion initiatives were on the ballot.

 

Perhaps pro lifers have learned from spiking the ball before the game was over.

We shall see.