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Florida marijuana initiative in jeopardy despite having one million signatures

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mrhansduck, Aug 28, 2023.

  1. GatorJMDZ

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    I'm sure your paying patients appreciate the kind characterization. If they are still going in to see a dentist regularly, they are doing a lot more than a significant segment of the population. Most estimates are that approximately 35% of the adult population don't go regularly. So at least your "complete loser" patients have that going for them.

    He's a dentist.
     
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  2. Gatoragman

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    In my younger days I used to run a bar. Every night I would be at the door with the bouncers seeing who was coming in and profiling who was going to be an issue before the night was over. The guys that were high, never an issue unless the kitchen was closed! Now the ones that got to drunk, expect an argument, the ones coked up, expect an issue. So, my experience was the potheads were not looking for problems, just wanted to chill out.
    My concern is how do companies that have drug testing as part of the hiring process deal with it? Most of these companies are getting an insurance break, so that is why they test. Obviously how do you determine if a CDL driver has just smoked or smoked on the weekend if they get in a wreck? I have no issue with legalizing it 100%, I just don't know how it will affect employers. If you get stopped while driving how does the law determine if you are high or not? I think there is a lot of questions that need to be addressed, and if they are then I'm all for it.
     
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  3. antny1

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    Good lord with your extreme anecdotal experience. I haven't smoked weed in 15 years. I don't smoke at all. Are you an ER doctor? I don't know many ER doctors that share your same opinion or experience. Take a ride with your local police or fire agency. Let's go toe to toe with experiences of weed vs alcohol on society. Absurd
     
  4. antny1

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    I share your concern about how to tell when a person is under the influence vs when they just have CBD in their system. I can see that as being an issue because again, people aren't advocating for unregulated use of weed in all circumstances.

    And you nailed it about weed vs alcohol, cocaine in the bar scene.
     
  5. mrhansduck

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    What's interesting to me is that you view it as addictive yet insult users - and your own patients - by calling them "idiots" and "losers." You've also been condescending to people who have a different view about it. It seems that you view consumption of marijuana as an indicator of bad moral character for some reason. Perhaps that's why you're content with it remaining criminalized even though that's not stopping people from getting it. They need to be punished. I'm not sure if you or someone close to you had a negative experience with it. But it's odd to me that a medical professional would think this way about use and/or addiction even assuming you're correct that the harmful effects of marijuana are understated. I can only imagine my doctors making fat jokes or insulting me behind my back when I leave the office.
     
  6. thomadm

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    Mary J should not be illegal. However, manufacturing of products should be regulated.

    As far as health, smoking is absolutely terrible for your health. Although most don't smoke as much as tobacco users, sclc will be a problem for chronic users as they age.

    Use as a pain med is warranted, but should be handed off to pharma for safety.
     
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  7. antny1

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    Drunk driver kills both parents of two students on their way to college. The two daughters were in the car behind and witnessed the carnage.

    Head on collision takes out 4 teenagers on I 95.

    Almost all of the trauma alerts related to bike week in daytona are alcohol related.

    Girl drunk on a skateboard falls into A1A and gets ran over by a car and later dies from complications.

    I can go on and on and on if you want to compare experiences but yeah, pot heads are losers and detrimental to society.
     
  8. Gatoragman

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    I think if we can address some of the concerns with determining whether your high or not on the spot it should be legalized. If we do that then tax the crap out of like we do tobacco. I had a friend the other day pay $9.00 for a can of copenhagen!!! Sure, glad I stopped my can a day habit years ago. I think the old concern was it was a gateway drug. Well, anything that alters your moods is going to be very addictive to some and control their lives, while some of us have an occasional drink and maybe too much every once in a while, and have functioned and became successful in society. If you want to live in a nanny state, make everything illegal and dole out only what the masters allow. When the master believes what I believe I'll be happy but when they don't not so much. At some point if we are going to be a free society, we have to give the freedoms to the people. Of course, this entails having laws and required following of them or suffer the consequences.
     
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  9. l_boy

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    It can be dangerous for those who are predisposed to mental illness or those who consume it in large quantities over long periods of time.
     
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  10. mrhansduck

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    For those who might know, how exactly does the worker's compensation aspect work? Does the nature/manner of the injury matter? Suppose an employee consumed marijuana over the weekend and then in the middle of the work week they're sitting in their office and a ceiling fan falls on their head. Their WC claim would be categorically denied even though it had no nexus to the cause of the accident?
     
  11. Gatoragman

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    This exactly the kind of questions that need to be addressed before we can go forward in my opinion. In no way was that induvials use of MJ over the weekend have anything to do with the fan just as much if the individual spent the weekend at the river and got drunk.
     
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    You've got me curious now. I would like to know if there's any data which compares drunk driving (alcohol only - no other substances) crashes/injuries/fatalities to cannabis/THC in blood stream crashes/injuries/fatalities. I would guess THC may be lacking in the data because police would need a blood sample or a urine sample to test a driver, whereas alcohol can be tested with a breathalyzer. Also wondering if there are just as many people driving high on cannabis as there are driving drunk each day. I would wager more people are driving high on cannabis, to be honest, but they are both problematic.
     
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    My reading suggested that pot isn’t good for the developing brain. After about 24 you are good. I imagine it’s a sliding scale. Worse at 13 than 24
     
  14. g8trdoc

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    If you want an honest conversation about this then I’m here for it. If you smoke weed all day you are a loser or idiot if you prefer.
     
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    While I would not recommend anybody smoke weed ‘all day’, I know many very successful people that are daily tokers. It’s replaced the daily ‘glass or two’ of whiskey to take the edge off after a long day. A buddy of mine lost 30 lbs by simply doing that.
     
  16. g8trdoc

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    Look I don’t mind the medical cards for insomnia or whatever I just don’t want the weed tourism recreational sales bring in. It ruined Las Vegas. People that want to smoke weed will always be able to find it.
     
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    I think with legal recreational use so prevalent in so many states, I would be surprised if there’s still a weed tourism industry anywhere in the US.
     
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  19. antny1

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    I don't disagree with any of this. Again, driving stoned is bad and I'm sure the statistic if any aren't accurate but the qualifable evidence is pretty significant when you deal with someone under heavy influence of alcohol. I have too many visceral memories of the pungent smell of alcohol associated with violent scenes and motor vehicle traumas/deaths.
     
  20. Sohogator

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    Yeah given that language its safe to say he’s a “doctor” in the same way someone is a “lawyer”.
     
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