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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ursidman, Jul 27, 2023.

  1. ursidman

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    Someone cleverer than me will know what to do with this. Color me skeptical

    Deneumostier allegedly ran the website, which featured straight men being tricked into accepting sex acts from gay men, according to the newspaper. The straight men were blindfolded and wore blacked-out goggles and appeared to believe they were with a woman.
     
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    Serves them right for being idiots.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Create a meme.

    Call it Florida Man.

    Go over a state of 22 million with a fine-toothed comb …
     
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    Floridaman punches Jimmy John's employee because his sandwich took too long, wasn't 'Freaky Fast' enough
     
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    I can see it now: "Sir, if you let us blindfold you and have you wear opaque goggles, we'll let you get a blow job." I think I'd first ask , "Still blindfolded and goggled up?"
     
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    I guess if you have a blindfold on, what difference does it make?
     
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    WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla. — A Florida man that was dressed as Fred Flintstone was pulled over and given a citation by law enforcement just days after Halloween.

    A Pasco County sheriff deputy pulled over the barefoot man that appeared to be driving a Smart car decked out as a footmobile from the cartoon show, “The Flintstones.”

    Don Swartz (aka, Fred Flintstone) was driving around the Pasco County area when deputies said the man was speeding and became “unruly” and had to be detained.
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    Police: Naked burglar bursts into Florida woman's home, tries on her clothes, rolls around in yard

    Authorities say a naked Florida man burst into a woman's home, ran around inside and then tried on some of her clothes before he was arrested.

    The Daytona Beach News-Journal reports that 40-year-old Joseph Vaglica is charged with burglary with assault and is jailed on $25,000 bail. It was not immediately clear if he has a lawyer.

    Police say Vaglica entered the woman's home through the garage door and then ran through the kitchen acting irrationally. The woman ran to her stepson's house next door and called 911.

    Investigators say Vaglica went into a bedroom and tried on the woman's clothes and then ran back outside toward the stepson's house. He was rolling in the yard with police arrived.
     
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    2007 story. Judge St. Arnold is very good judge. Alimony suspended in May 2009 though not clear why - looks like the 2007 motion was denied. Then appealed, then settled after appeal dismissed, resulting in termination of alimony. Hard to say exactly what happened. None of that is certain - trying to interpret filing descriptions.

    In any event, permanent alimony was all but ended via statutory change enacted July 1



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    05/26/2009 ORDER
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    Vol./Book 16606, Page 1056, 001 pages
    05/26/2009
    SUPPLEMENTAL FINAL JUDGMENT
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    05/26/2009 RECEIVED BY COURT
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    05/26/2009 SUPPLEMENTAL PETITION
    Comment: EX PARTE SUPP PETITION FOR MODIFICATION OF FINAL JUDGMENT; VER: F; P
    05/26/2009 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
    Comment: ATTORNEY COVER LETTER RCVD BY COURT 052009; VER: F; P
    08/20/2007 REQUEST FOR
    Comment: REQUEST FOR: REFINED PAGE COUNT 223PGS CALLED 8/22/07 SL; VER: N; K
    08/14/2007 REQUEST FOR
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    08/08/2007 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT
    Comment: NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT; VER: F; D
    08/03/2007 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT
    Comment: NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT; VER: F; D
    08/02/2007 FILE RETD TO CIV COURT RECORDS FROM APPEALS
    Comment: FILE RETD TO CIV COURT RECORDS FROM APPEALS; VER: N; K
    08/02/2007 APPEAL CLERK'S WORKSHEET WITH ATTACHMENT
    Comment: APPEAL CLERK'S WORKSHEET W/ATTACHMENT; VER: F; K
    07/16/2007 APPEAL DISMISSED
    Comment: APPEAL DISMISSED PER JOINT STIP FOR DISMISSAL ETC; VER: F; P
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    NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF PLAINTIFF
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    Comment: ORDER GRANTING RESPONDENT'S MOTION TO ENFORCE AGMT; VER: F; P
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    06/06/2007 NOTICE OF HEARING
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    06/06/2007 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
    Comment: MOTION TO ENFORCE MARITAL/PROPERTY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ETC; VER: F; D
    05/31/2007 ORIGINAL RECORD ON APPEAL PREPARED
    Comment: ORIGINAL RECORD ON APPEAL PREPARED; VER: F; K
    05/30/2007 PLTF-PET'S MOTION
    Comment: MOTION FOR CREDITS AGAINST SUPPORT ARREARAGE; VER: F; P
    05/14/2007 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT
    Comment: NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT; VER: F; D
    05/14/2007 TEXT
    Comment: CHANGE OF ADDRESS FOR RESPONDENT; VER: F; D
    04/23/2007 LETTER FROM 2ND DCA RE ASSIGN APPEAL NO.
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    04/13/2007 LETTER FROM CLERK RE APPEAL NOTICE TO DCA
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    04/13/2007 DIRECTIONS TO CLERK
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    04/13/2007 STATEMENT OF JUDICIAL ACTS
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    02/13/2007 PLTF-PET'S MOTION
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    02/13/2007 CASE REOPENED
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    02/13/2007 AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING
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    02/09/2007 NOTICE OF HEARING
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    02/09/2007 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
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    02/09/2007 NOTICE OF HEARING
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    02/07/2007 CASE REOPENED
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    02/05/2007 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
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    02/02/2007 PLTF-PET'S MOTION
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    Comment: MOTION FOR FINAL JUDGMENT FOR; VER: F; D
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    01/30/2007 ORDER GRANTING
    Comment: ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR STAY OF DISCOVERY; VER: F; P
    01/30/2007 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
    Comment: FAXED COPY ATTORNEY COVER LETTER; VER: F; P
    01/29/2007 CASE REOPENED
    Comment: REOPEN CASE/OTHER; VER: N; P
    01/29/2007 REQUEST FOR
    Comment: REQUEST FOR: WAIVER OF FILING FEE; VER: F; P
    01/29/2007 PLTF-PET'S MOTION
    Comment: MOTION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE AND; VER: N; P
    01/25/2007 CASE REOPENED
    Comment: REOPEN CASE/OTHER; VER: N; D
    01/25/2007 PETITION MODIFY-SUPPLEMENT FINAL JUDGMENT
    Comment: TO PETITION MODIFY/SUPPLEMENT FINAL JUDGMENT; VER: F; P
    01/25/2007 CONTESTED ANSWER
    Comment: AMENDED CONTESTED ANSWER JULIA ROACH; VER: N; D
    01/25/2007 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
    Comment: EXPEDITED MOTION FOR STAY OF DISCOVERY ETC; VER: F; D
    01/25/2007 REQUEST FOR COPIES
    Comment: REQUEST FOR COPIES; VER: F; D
    01/25/2007 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
    Comment: NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND; VER: N; D
    01/03/2007 SUBPOENA
    Comment: SUBPOENA FOR VIDEO DEPO SERVED; VER: F; P
    12/28/2006 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
    Comment: NOTICE OF TAKING VIDEO DEPOSITION; VER: F; P
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    Comment: CERTIFICATE OF MAILING; VER: F; K
    11/27/2006 CONTESTED ANSWER
    Comment: CONTESTED ANSWER JULIA ROACH PRO SE; VER: F; D
    11/17/2006 SUMMONS SUPP PET-COMP RETURNED SERVED
    Comment: SUMMONS SUPP PET/COMP RETD SERVED JULIA ROACH 111406; VER: F; K
    11/08/2006 CASE REOPENED
    Comment: REOPEN CASE/OTHER; VER: N; P
    11/08/2006 Reopen Fee Paid $
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    11/08/2006 SUMMONS ON SUPPLEMENTAL PETITION
    Comment: SUMMONS ON SUP PETN/P/S-JULIA ROACH NKA JULIO SILVERWOLF; VER: N; K
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    Comment: REQUEST FOR SUMMONS ON SUPPLEMENTAL PETITION; VER: F; P
    11/08/2006 PETITION MODIFY-SUPPLEMENT FINAL JUDGMENT
    Comment: PETITION MODIFY/SUPPLEMENT FINAL JUDGMENT-ATTY SMITTEN; VER: F; P
    02/21/2005 COPY
    Comment: COPY FINAL JUDGMENT OF NAME CHANGE; VER: F; D
    02/21/2005 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT
    Comment: NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT; VER: F; D
    02/14/2005 COPY CORRESPONDENCE FROM CLERK RE
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    01/21/2005 REQUEST FOR COPIES
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    01/19/2005 REQUEST FOR COPIES
    Comment: REQUEST FOR COPIES -FAXED TO NON-PARTY 1/19/05; VER: N; K
    12/23/2004 CERTIFIED STATEMENT COMPLETED BY CLERK
    Comment: CERTIFIED STATEMENT COMPLETED BY CLERK; VER: N; K
    12/07/2004 FINAL DISPOSITION FORM
    Comment: FINAL DISPOSITION FORM; VER: F; P
    12/02/2004 FINAL JUDGMENT
    Comment: FINAL JUDGMENT; VER: F; P
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    12/02/2004 HEARING (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer ALLAN, LINDA R)
    11/30/2004 STIPULATION-ORDER SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL
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    11/29/2004 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
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    11/29/2004 NOTICE
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    11/22/2004 NOTICE OF HEARING
    Comment: NOTICE OF HEARING 120204 9:10; VER: F; P
    11/17/2004 CASE CALENDARED FOR
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    11/15/2004 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
    Comment: MOTION TO ENFORCE/MOTION FOR CONTEMPT; VER: F; D
    11/15/2004 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
    Comment: NOTICE OF APPEARANCE; VER: F; D
    10/26/2004 NOTICE OF HEARING
    Comment: NOTICE OF HEARING 111004 11:30; VER: F; P
    10/14/2004 HEARING (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer ALLAN, LINDA R)
    10/13/2004 NOTICE OF HEARING
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    10/11/2004 CASE CALENDARED FOR
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    10/08/2004 CASE CALENDARED FOR
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    08/19/2004 CERTIFICATE OF MAILING
    Comment: CERTIFICATE OF MAILING; VER: F; K
    08/18/2004 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
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    08/18/2004 Reopen Fee Paid $
    Comment: RE-OPEN FEE PAID - $50.00; VER: N; C
    08/17/2004 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT
    Comment: NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS OF DEFENDANT; VER: F; K
    06/22/2004 ARREARS CALCULATION SHEET
    Comment: ARREARS CALCULATION SHEET; VER: F; K
    06/14/2004 NOTICE OF MEDIATION CONFERENCE
    Comment: NOTICE OF MEDIATION CONFERENCE 052604 1:00; VER: F; D
    06/10/2004 INCOME DEDUCTION ORDER
    Comment: INCOME DEDUCTION ORDER; VER: F; P
    06/10/2004 ORDER DIR PMT SUPP THRU CENT GOVT DEPOSITORY
    Comment: ORDER DIR PMT SUPP THRU CENT GOVT DEPOSTRY; VER: F; P
    06/10/2004 ORDER
    Comment: ORDER APPROVING MEDIATION AGREEMENT; VER: F; P
    06/09/2004 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
    Comment: ATTORNEY COVER LETTER FILED W/CLERK 061004; VER: F; P
    06/08/2004 MARITAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
    Comment: MARITAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT; VER: F; P
    06/08/2004 NOTICE OF FILING
    Comment: NOTICE OF FILING AGREEMENT; VER: F; P
    06/02/2004 TEXT
    Comment: MEDIATION REPORT; VER: F; P
    06/02/2004 NOTICE OF FILING
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    06/01/2004 ATTORNEY COVER LETTER
    Comment: ATTORNEY COVER LETTER FILED W/CLERK 060204; VER: F; D
    06/01/2004 TEXT
    Comment: MEDIATION REPORT; VER: F; P
    06/01/2004 NOTICE OF FILING
    Comment: NOTICE OF FILING REPORT; VER: F; P
    05/17/2004 NOTICE OF FILING
    Comment: NOTICE OF FILING AFFIDAVIT; VER: F; D
    05/17/2004 RESPONDENT'S FINANCIAL STATEMENT-AFFIDAVIT
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    05/11/2004 REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION
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    05/11/2004 NOTICE OF SERVICE OF INTERROGATORIES
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    05/11/2004 DEF-RESP'S MOTION
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    05/11/2004 COUNTER CLAIM
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    05/11/2004 TEXT
    Comment: JULIA ROACH; VER: N; D
    05/11/2004 CONTESTED ANSWER
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    04/29/2004 SUMMONS - SERVED
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    04/13/2004 SUMMONS TO PROCESS SERVER - PICK UP
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    04/13/2004 CERT COMPLIANCE FL FAM RULE 12.285 - MAND DISCLOSURE
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    04/13/2004 PETITIONER'S FINANCIAL STATEMENT-AFFIDAVIT
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    04/13/2004 THIS CASE ASSIGNED BY CLERK TO SECTION
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    The Flintstone case was hilarious, including the look on each guy's face! I'm partial to people who march to different drummers.....to a point, but I don't think Fred reached it.