Florida Dept. of Health no longer supports treatment of gender dysphoria for minors

You're confronted with 3 choices as to who should inculcate values into children:
1. Parents
2. Schools
3. The vacuum of society.

The answer should be obvious.

No such choice must happen for children regarding gender reassignment surgery and puberty blockers.

You can:
1. Allow it but don't push it.
2. Disallow it
3. Or allow it and push it.

I'm fine with the first two. Reason I'm not okay with 3, is because of the long-term consequences of the decision. Some folks on the left act like it's as simple as getting the surgery to revert back. It's not that simple. Going through surgery like that and taking hormones alters the way your body develops. You will grow up to be different than had you never been on them.

If you have regrets after the fact, I don't think it's good enough for the system, the parents, or the doctors to say "Oops, My Bad." And it's also not entirely fair to blame the child for it because they're minors.

 

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Culturally have ways done earrings early. Mine at 3 days old. My daughter they made us wait til some vaccines were done so 6 weeks.

The flaw in using that as an argument is if a child changes their mind, all they do is not put an earring in & the hole closes. Even adults can have the hole get closed (which isn't fun when I don't put earrings on for a while). It's not permanent.

I'd think a more relevant point would be male circumcision done for other than religious reasons. There's mixed research on the health/hygiene issue. THAT'S permanent. It's super easy when done as a baby versus uncircumcised men having it done as adults. But then the choice is theirs at that point. Female circumcision has been banned in a lot of places because unlike the male version, there's zero health reason & the sole purpose is so the girl will feel no pleasure & then won't be tempted to cheat on her husband.

Those examples do not cause all the hormonal/physical changes/issues of the therapies here but raises the point that maybe it's time to leave circumcision to adulthood (though I get where the religious aspects would cause complications. I know some in Africa/Middle East who move here have been charged over female circumcision because it's banned, then claim religious/cultural freedom as their defense).

 

Nobody is suggesting or advocating surgery for anyone under the age of 18. But you can take puberty blockers without getting surgery, and in some cases, this is considered the best course of action by doctors, parents, and the kids. Taking blockers is also generally easy to reverse. Just stop taking them.

The decision should be between the patients, parents, and doctors involved. The State has no place to weigh in other than maybe give very general guidelines.

 

Notice that social transitioning (wearing a dress if it makes you feel better) is also on the list of things that shouldn't be done. And undoing that is as simple as not putting on the dress the next day.

It isn't about doing what is best for the patient. It is about punishing people who are others.

 

I am more than a little skeptical about the alleged "lack of long-term effects" of taking puberty blockers.

 

Sure, and your support for pushing children to wear dresses is about grooming.

 

Was that your take on HCQ and Ivermectin for COVID?

 

I know we are talking about Florida here but in many states the age of consent for Mental health issues is as young as 14.
Some states allow abortions to minors without even a parental call.

Point is parents aren't always involved and I think that is wrong across the board.

 

Please show me a link to a study that supports this claim.
Everything I've ever read suggests the opposite, that the incidence of suicide is still sky high regardless of allowing "gender reassignment"

 

Can't tell if serious or satire.

 

Cannot speak for him, I suspect that the overwhelming majority of doctors who did prescribe HCQ and Ivermectin for the treatment of Covid knew that the drugs were ineffective but did so to placate their patients not unlike doctors who prescribed antibiotics to treat viral infections like the common cold because their patients requested the drugs. Although CDC and FDA did issue guidance recommending against use of those drugs none were as strong as that issued by the state of Florida with respect to the treatment of gender dysphoria.

 

One big difference: puberty blockers actually block hormone changes. They are effective at their stated goal. HCQ and Ivermectin did nothing to stop Covid. But, Doctors were allowed to hand out drugs with no effectiveness, as far as I can tell, as long as they didn't engage in fraud.

Ivermectin for the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials - PubMed
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Up to doctors. Not a legislative decision. If that’s what you’re asking.

 

Actually there were places where doctors were not allowed to write certain prescriptions.

 

BTW, DeSantis's prior Surgeon General signed on to this letter.
Former Florida surgeon general disputes state’s vaccine, transgender guidance

 

And here is the difference.
Giving meds that may or may not help COVID( a potentially life-threatening condition) but certainly did no harm, is different than giving meds to children that can have serious long term effects on their development for a non life threatening condition in particular about something they likely will change their mind about down the road.

My son wants to grow taller, should he be able to go to the doctor and get put on HGH?

 

FYI

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As far your son is concerned he should be able to go the doctor for HGH if the doctor believes that he is suffering from a condition that has severely stunted his growth and be treated through HGH injections.[/QUOTE]

 

The problem is that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that they may have helped. There is plenty of evidence that they didn't. And yes, growth hormones are given to children with certain diagnoses.

 

We give lots of medications that don't show any proof that they work and there was some data that's shows there may be some benefit, as more detailed and more controlled studies emerge that may change.

That are medically determined with laboratory and genetic testing. Not based on "feelings" which in all teens change like the wind.