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Florida #1 in Educational Freedom

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ThePlayer, Sep 12, 2022.

  1. BossaGator

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    yeah, it takes a while for the impact to be felt but along those same lines it can be a long lasting impact
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    I'm sure that DeSantis will be sending a list of preferred candidates shortly
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    I'm more worried about his cronies getting to pick the next UF President.
     
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  6. Spurffelbow833

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    No. It is a precursor to it.
     
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  7. gatorchamps960608

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    David Duke, professor emeritus.
     
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  8. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Is it fun poking at people who are less fortunate than you?
     
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  9. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Seems like you’d refrain from slamming folks in poorer states…it’s not very libbie of you after all.
     
  10. sas1988

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    No slam, just facts. Mississippi has been at the bottom of education for decades. And I'm more of a just left of center man than a far left libbie, sort of like you and the MAGA extreme I think.
     
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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Oddly enough, I just returned from a 3 day fishing trip from Mississippi. We fished the big reservoirs for crappie with guides.
    It was worth noting to me that there were many, many guides on these waters. And of these guides, there were ample black and white dudes with fancy boats and expensive electronics to track the fish.
    I noticed the white and black guides interacting on and off the lakes too. Didn’t seem like a very racist red state to me. And we were in the sticks most of the time.
    This is how I see America even though I’m sure there are plenty of buttheads who don’t know how to treats humans with decency. Most people aren’t racist.
     
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  12. sas1988

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    My aunt lived just outside Jackson for a few years and I liked visiting her but never really went anywhere while I was there. Oops, yes I did. I went to a Willie Nelson concert and a Dan Fogelberg concert while there on spring break 82. Never saw anyone be mean or hostile to anyone while I was there, pretty chill place by my experience.
     
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  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Oddly enough…I really like Dan fogelberg.
     
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  14. gatordavisl

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    For those who think this ranking is in any way valid . . .
    https://www.salon.com/2022/09/10/fl...o-destroy-the-american-school-system-revealed

    Heritage Foundation's inaugural "Education Freedom Report Card," the think tank is grading according to a different metric entirely: not things like average student funding, teacher salary or classroom size, but how easily state legislatures enable students to leave public schools; how lightly private schools and homeschooling are regulated; how active and welcome conservative parent-advocacy groups are; and how frequently or loudly those groups claim that schools are indoctrinating students.

    The report's methodology also notes that the percentage of children in a state who attend these alternatives to public schools figures into its rankings, implying that families who choose traditional public schools are not considered examples of educational "freedom." The "choice" category also awards points based on how non-public schools are regulated, docking states that require accreditation or the same level of testing mandated for public schools.

    According to the report card, states with teachers trained in . . . . get this . . . . actual teaching get lower scores, as do states with schools that hire diversity officers.

    In terms of "regulatory freedom," Heritage weighs whether states enforce "overburdensome regulations … in the name of 'accountability.'" The chief concern here appears to be teacher certification credentials, since states that encourage "alternative" credentialing or that employ more teachers without teaching degrees are ranked higher than those where more educators have traditional qualifications. This section also penalizes states where a high percentage of school districts employ chief diversity officers, since, the report claims, such positions primarily exist to "provide political support and organization to one side of the debate over the contentious issues of race and opportunity."

    This amounts, Spar continued, to "the Heritage Foundation celebrating the rankings of how well you underfund public schools, how well you dismantle public schools. I don't think we should celebrate the fact that we're shortchanging kids."


     
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  15. philnotfil

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    That explains why the rankings are inversely proportional to student achievement.
     
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  16. AndyGator

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    Yes, and why the OP thinks it is somehow a "good" thing :rolleyes:
     
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  17. gtr2x

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    Yep same here. Obviously the selection of the next UF president will have a huge impact on UFs reputation and ability to hire and keep the best. Will it be an experienced academic or an experienced politician. Hoping for the first.
     
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  18. gtr2x

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    Well Mississippi is a poor state for a reason. Not necessarily all the poor folks' fault, but the guys ruling the state all these years certainly don't deserve a pass.
    Lowest paid teachers, bottom tier in education funding, poor health care, poor infrastructure, high crime rates, etc etc.
    Easy to see why Ms was one of only 3 states that lost population in the last census.
     
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  19. citygator

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    Zachariah Chou: UF’s top five ranking is no cause for celebration

    Unfortunately, the reputation score is out of five. If UF were an Airbnb, it’d be delisted. If it were a restaurant on Google Maps, I probably wouldn’t eat there. (It’s funny because eating and sleeping were the two main things I did at UF.)

    I mean, it’s no question why: whether it be barring professors from testifying against Florida’s partially unconstitutional election law, giving a clown a second chance at life as Florida’s surgeon general or culling a well-liked Honors program director, some leaders in our university and perhaps particularly in our state government have given people reason to look at our school with disdain.

    But to be fair, other comparable universities have taken hits to their reputation as well.

    The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, which is tied with UF for the top five spot, had its own national scandal when its Board of Trustees briefly denied tenure to Nikole Hannah-Jones, creator of The 1619 Project. The University of California at Santa Barbara, which tied for fifth with UF and UNC-Chapel Hill last year, had its own issue when the school, spurred on by a donor, figured it’d be a smart idea to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a mostly windowless dorm.