Fetterman oz debate

I didn't watch the debate and don't know how much mental sharpness Fetterman lost due his stroke. But I imagine for most voters, probably almost all, the decision will come to whose policies you like better.

 

Already offered up my point of view on what happened. If you're looking for somebody to tell you what you want to hear, there are plenty of Republicans on this forum who will do that. But since you referenced Herschel Walker, his debate performance was worse than Fetterman's.

 

I didn't watch the Walker debate, so I cannot comment. All I can comment on is the fact that Oz was 20 times sharper in this debate and he will win comfortably based on the fact many Dems will simply not vote out of concern for Fetterman. This is a 5 point win for Oz. Walker, I don't know. I haven't dug into that race, but Warnock seems to be plenty competent and all there.

 

But fettermans medical condition won’t allow him the cognitive ability to know what those policies are any more. He waffled on stage, and it was uncomfortable to say the least.
Unless, his wife or handlers will do his job for him, he cannot do this job.

 

We could probably think about the job in two parts. One is voting on bills, court appointments, etc. The other is doing all the other stuff they do such as responding to and trying to help constituents, etc. In terms of votes, it seems like party line voting is the norm, and most members of Congress are going to vote with their party. I think the latter part of the job is a different issue and someone would need to be plugged in to do it effectively.

 

Agree with this, if you just watched the debate Oz clearly won but it's hard to separate out the knowledge that Fetterman had a stroke. I don't know that much about strokes but if it's just that he has a hard time connecting what he thinks with speaking, that's different than knowing how to do his job (voting, helping write policies etc.)

 

fetterman or biden?

 

So City, you were able to go through the debate and you were able to find a few instances where you claim Oz had some gaffes. I watched the whole debate and it was an unmitigated disaster for Fetterman. I mean the poor guy started out by saying, hello, good night. What the hell? This was like a debate between a junior high student and a college professor. I actual found myself feeling sorry for the poor guy. Fetterman claims he reduced crime when he was a mayor and helped businesses and the business men interviewed a few days ago claim he destroyed businesses and people fled the town in droves.

 

Effective public speaking and rhetoric is a part of the job description. One could still be successful without it but they would be a reasonable argument of diminished ability. But all of the medical expertise says that he will fully regain that ability. If he returns to where he was pre-stroke, he will actually be one of the more effective Senators in public speaking ability.

He has been very transparent with his medical diagnoses and information. I have not seen anyone make a credible argument that he is not on the road to significant if not full recovery based on the disclosed information. Consequently, it may impact the way he's perceived in the campaign, but a full knowledge voter who would otherwise support him but worries about his communicative ability should be satisfied

 

Holy shit. I give up. If you think Hesrschel is an setter candidate than Fetterman there is no light at the end of your tunnel.

 

Fetterman once chased an unarmed black jogger and pointed a shotgun at his chest. Sound familiar?

 

Oz didnt have gaffes. Oz displayed a policy of restricting freedoms and installing insanity. Fetterman looked rough but displayed a policy of sane individual freedoms. He has nowhere near the baggage of lying and deceit that Oz and Herschel demonstrate daily.

 

Disagree. I had a setter growing up. They are much more mentally capable than current Herschel. Even your average Bulldog reasons better

 

Bookmarked. We’ll see. Nothing demonstrates what you’ve just said. The polls are razor tight. Either candidate can win and predicting a 5 point win is a big swing. I certainly don’t see anything pointing to that for either candidate. My guess is this is a flaw in how you process information.

 

Agreed. It's unlikely that it will be a 5 point margin. Arrogantly predicting that is just dumb.

As for the debate, Fetterman had low expectations and he exceeded those expectations. Also, I think people will see it as a courageous performance. I think the debate helped Fetterman, but we will see.

 

Cuomo had a neurologist who specializes in strokes on his show to talk about this.

Doctor: Hard to tell if Fetterman’s comprehension impaired | Pennsylvania Senate Debate – NewsNation

 

90 percent of the people already had their minds made up based on the polling averages.
There will be only two important camps in the remaining 10 percent.
People who saw something in the issues that swayed their vote (just anectdotally that seems to help Fetterman some).
People who watched and don’t think Fetterman is up to the challenge of serving - and in reading some unbiased accounts of the debate it seems that will be a legitimate concern for some. We will see which message resonates more. The recent polls have shown around a one or 2 point spread for Fetterman. If group B offsets group A by more than a few points in those remaining 10 percent Oz will win.
Not much more complicated than that.

 

One commentator used the phrase something to the effect that Oz may have won the battle but could end up losing the war. Oz's statement on abortion quoting him directly "I want women, doctors, local political leaders letting the democracy that’s always allowed our nation to thrive, to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves.” could end up having the same effect on his campaign that Terry McAuliffe's quote "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" had on the Virginia gubernatorial campaign last year. According to one source Fetterman has already started running commercials showing Oz making that statement. While abortion may not be among the more important issues in totality it is a significant issue for one group of swing voters, suburban educated women and in an election likely to be decided by a margin of less than two percent every vote counts.

 

I think you might be overestimating how much a debate for a senate seat can move the needle. Rasmussen had Fetterman up 2% as of 1 week ago. That would be a seven point swing based on a debate performance. He might win but I think a 5 point victory is a stretch.

 

Herschel the self-made man is not a better candidate than the basement dwelling Sloth from the Goonies? My tunnel is fully lit.