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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. WC53

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    Alex Jones is still getting donations.

    20+ years of talk radio has conditioned rage actors, no crisis needed
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    New filing by the DOJ in the case opposing a Special Master. It contains a picture and accuses Trump of concealing documents in an attempt to obstruct the investigation.

    Here is a thread on the new info:

     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    Here's a story on the DOJ response.

    US government documents were "likely concealed and removed" from a storage room at Mar-a-Lago as part of an effort to "obstruct" the FBI's investigation into former President Donald Trump's potential mishandling of classified materials, the Justice Department said in a blockbuster court filing Tuesday night.

    More than 320 classified documents have now been recovered from Mar-a-Lago, the Justice Department said, including more than 100 in the FBI search earlier this month.

    Tuesday's filing represents the Justice Department's strongest case to date that Trump concealed classified material he was keeping at Mar-a-Lago in an attempt to obstruct the FBI's investigation into the potential mishandling of classified material.
     
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    Almost every insult or criticism that came out of Trump’s mouth was a projection, so it’s a fitting end.

    “Lock him Up”
     
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  5. GatorRade

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    It seems the DOJ thinks it’s has its case and has no intention of letting this go. The conclusion of this will be interesting.
     
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  6. duchen

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    An amicus filing comes up on the link
     
  7. danmanne65

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    Whichever the most of them buy.
     
  8. danmanne65

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    It seems those still defending him are unable to grasp that things that belong to the office of the president are not the personal property of the president.
     
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  9. duchen

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  10. duchen

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    The government makes this (correct) point without further briefing:

    "Furthermore, this Court lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate Plaintiff’s Fourth Amendment challenges to the validity of the search warrant and his arguments for returning or suppressing the materials seized. . . Mindful that the Court ruling on the present motion is not the same Court that authorized the search warrant from which this civil action results,'

    This is right. We now know that the grand jury that is hearing this case is proceeding in the DC Circuit and that the criminal search warrant is in the SD Florida in front of Judge Reinhardt and the duty judge in West Palm Beach.
     
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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    James Comey on the decision not charge Hillary a few years back: Cases where charges have historically been filed were about vast quantities of material stored in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct.

    TS material on the floor and in a personal desk drawer looks like intentional misconduct to me.
     
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  12. duchen

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    Intent can also be established by the demand for the return of documents, the acknowledgment that the documents belong to the government by the return of some, the representations of complete production, and the movement and secreting of the documents not returned. Hilary Clinton disclosed and returned the government document in her possession. Knowledge of possession of classified documents is supported by the evidence of the mingling of personal effects in the boxes and the assertions of dominion of all of them that have been made. The lawyer who gave the certification will have to testify as to who told her that the search was complete and anyone in that chain of communication will also have to testify. My guess is the lawyer testifies up to the person who knew about the secreting of the decade diners. That person takes the Fifth.
     
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  13. duchen

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    The material on the floor may be there because it was moved there from boxes in the search to document the information presence of the documents as Mar a Lago to vitiate an argument they were added after the fact
     
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  14. gatorchamps960608

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    Yes, I thought that could be the case but having it in a random unlocked desk drawer in inexcusable.
     
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  15. BLING

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    I assume they were removed from the boxes (by law enforcement) for the purposes of documenting and photographing what they found on site - per the warrant. I’m sure they catalogued what they found in greater detail, this is just the photographic evidence of what they pulled out of this box.
     
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  16. BLING

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    None of it is excusable. A bankers box in a closet isn’t any more secure than an unlocked desk drawer.
     
  17. murphree_hall

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    Agreed. The juvenile name-calling is immature and unpresidential. Take my opinion with a grain of salt, though. I even find it cringeworthy when people call us the “gaytors”, call FSU “the holes”, call TAMU “aTm”. I imagine that people think it’s edgy and cool, smirking as they type it. Before anyone asks, yes, I am fun at parties.
     
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  18. vaxcardinal

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    But they said it came from his desk not from what was removed from the box to photograph
     
  19. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    Wherever to came from, they removed it to photo it and document it. In a desk, it is hard to argue that the person who uses the desk doesn’t know it is there
     
  20. BLING

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    Duly noted. I didn’t read that. But my point was that wasn’t how they were found (all over the floor). They obviously spread them out to photo what they found.
     
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