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FBI Executed a Warrant at Mar a Lago; the Investigation Continues

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Aug 8, 2022.

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  1. Aug 14, 2022 #2081
    GatorRade

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    This definitely occurred to me.
     
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  2. Aug 14, 2022 #2082
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    And yet still dwarfed by their hypocrisy. These are the same people that were chanting “lock her up” about Hillary for her handling of classified documents. You really can’t make this shit up.
     
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  3. Aug 14, 2022 #2083
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    I’d agree if not for his posting history.
     
  4. Aug 14, 2022 #2084
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    No, not speculation. Not when multiple reputable sources like WAPO and WSJ report that they received the information from those knowledgeable who are authorized to speak anonymously. Those are two of the best papers in the country and they corroborate their reporting. Obviously chosen for that reason. Especially WSJ. And when the return on the warrant identifies material as top secret sci. I don’t need to speculate that he had those documents. Trump may now be fined or charged With anything. Anyone else who had those documents and refused to give them back would be. But, No support for Trump wanes among his base short of charged criminality. Absolutely no accountability for his reckless and irresponsible conduct. And ten GOP Senators voted to convince him In the second impeachment. It is to the shame of the Rest of the GOP that they find not vote to convict. Trump is immune from accountability.
     
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  5. Aug 14, 2022 #2085
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    Ah... intent.

     
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  6. Aug 14, 2022 #2086
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    Cannot declassify in his head.

     
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  7. Aug 14, 2022 #2087
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  9. Aug 14, 2022 #2089
    duchen

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    This and the next post touch on a precise issue. Even if Trump could declassify the documents and take them, on January 20, 2021 at noon, his powers expired. He could not keep them. The exceptions to the handling of classified documents under classification statutes and rules for a president no longer applies to him. They revert to their marked status. At that point, classification depended on Biden. And Trump could not keep them. As to the issue of Trump permanently declassifying the documents, whether he had it in his head and did it is purely a legal fact question. The failure to follow normal procedures renders this self evident.
     
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  10. Aug 14, 2022 #2090
    duchen

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    Trump has no right to possess documents containing legal advice from government lawyers to the president in his capacity as president. They aren’t his personal documents and he doesn’t have a personal attorney client privilege outside of the presidency. If the docs concern his personal counsel, that is another issue. Although the lawyer’s false statements that all documents had been returned to the government renders crime fraud likely applicable. Still for a judge to decide
     
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  12. Aug 14, 2022 #2092
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    Trump's lawyers are in big trouble because they signed off that he had turned in everything after the subpoena service/return of some but not all documents in June. It's why the warrant included an obstruction charge.
     
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  13. Aug 14, 2022 #2093
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    From a national security lawyer . . . .

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  14. Aug 14, 2022 #2094
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  15. Aug 14, 2022 #2095
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    They will state they relied on the representations of their client. And they are entitled to disclose the reps that were made to them under ethics rules. There is an exception to privilege for self protection when the lawyer is accused of wrongdoing.
     
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  16. Aug 14, 2022 #2096
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    Accepting for arguments sake that these documents were declassified by fiat, one has to question tor competence of anyone for office who would declassify top secret SCI documents concerning nuclear weapons and payments to spies in our payroll without a rigorous review. To say the least. But, not in Trump world.
     
  17. Aug 14, 2022 #2097
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    Just out of curiosity, who is encompassed by your guys in the first sentence of your last paragraph. I’m assuming you had a class of people in mind.

    Also, if I may ask: are you saying some are and ought to be above the law? (Note that and!)
     
  18. Aug 14, 2022 #2098
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    Declassification means anyone can see it. The idea that Trump took nuclear codes to Mar a Lago (and he did that every time he left the Whitr House) Or documents concerning nuclear weapons, which meant that anyone could have access to the nuclear closed or anything else top secret, is laughably stupid. If that is the case, then he was grossly derelict and unfit of office. And once he became a private citizen, that was the standard for his mishandling information concerning national defense secrets
     
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  19. Aug 14, 2022 #2099
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    I think you misunderstood my post. He said, “One day, your guys are not going to be in charge,” and I’m wondering who “your guys” are. I’m thinking it means a class of principled people regardless of party, but I doubt that’s who he means.
     
  20. Aug 14, 2022 #2100
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    "It doesn't matter what they are marked, the president has supreme authority . . . . "

    You'd like that wouldn't you? No accountability for ANYTHING is what Trumpers demand for dear leader.

    " . . . . do you really want the other side coming after your side like this? Be careful what you wish for."

    If "your side" committed the unAmerican atrocities that Trump has committed . . . . yes. Trump did in fact cooperate with the Russian assault on our democracy in 2016. Trump did in fact try to blackmail Ukraine to get them to manufacture BS against Biden. Trump did in fact pressure Georgia officials to illegally alter the legitimate vote count to find him the additional votes he needed to win. Trump did in fact set the date, summon his brownshirts to DC, and incite them to assault our democracy on Jan 6. Trump did in fact take 25 boxes of classified materials home with him to his resort community. I've left out several other unAmerican atrocities.

    Unfortunately, the cowardly GQP has been bullied into submission and blocked all efforts to date to hold Trump accountable for his despicable, unAmerican actions. Justice must be served through the criminal justice system.

    You conveniently ignore the fact that Hillary Clinton was, in fact, investigated for months by the FBI regarding her handling of classified emails. She cooperated and the FBI eventually concluded there were no grounds for pursuing the matter. But not before the FBI/Comey did serious damage to her election prospects.

    Now that dear leader is being investigated by the FBI for taking 25 boxes of classified materials home to his resort community, you've convinced yourselves that he's being persecuted. Delusional . . . . to say the least. If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to worry about.
     
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