Fani Willis misconduct hearing

You’re right, but oddly enough, I can’t help but feel bad for her.

 

Not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek, but I don't feel bad for her one bit. Putting myself in the defendant's shoes (I can't recall his name -- not Trump but the other guy), I would be furious to find out the DA and lead prosecutor against me have this going on the side.

 

I don't, she's getting taste of her own medicine

 

Oh, I'm not saying she didn't have this coming. I completely understand the Defendants feeling the way they feel.

But my goodness, this is all beyond embarrassing.

 

I never thought I'd see the day where karma actually coming around makes me feel bad for someone I already didn't like, but here we are.

 

But why? How does this impact the defendant? If anything, it's the opposite. Having an improper relationship can distract them from focusing on the case and cause friction within the office.

If anything, something like this could help the defendants - that's why it's generally prohibited.

 

Rather than left and right a more accurate dichotomy would be pro-Trump and anti-Trump. Liz Cheney is a prime example although she was among the most conservative members of the House of Representatives based on her positions on virtually every issue she became a pariah within the Republican Party of today because she had the audacity to criticize Trump.

 

Trumpism isn't conservative. It's populism backed by a cult.

 

Fair point.

 

Defendant is being charged with racketeering, which is exactly what Willis got caught doing. If you think she will stay on this case, you must be smoking crack with Prosecutor Wade.

 

I didn't say she will or should stay on the case. I just don't understand has this disenfranchises the defendants in any way.

 

I agree from the standpoint that it disenfranchises Biden and Biden voters way more in the end. Those poor saps were relying on a corrupt DA to interfere in the 2024 Election and this sucks for them the most, I agree.

 

It’s not about “criticizing Trump.”

It’s when “criticizing Trump” becomes your political identity that you’re seen as such a political liability for the party that you’re effectively ostracized from the party.

And that’s absolutely a fair position to have from the party’s perspective. If any Democrat spent more time criticizing Biden, Schumer, Nadler, and Pelosi, when she was still in office, than Trump they’d be ostracized from the Democratic Party as is the party’s prerogative.

 

It is not prohibited because “it might help the Defendants,” it’s because Willis was likely using her powers as DA to funnel additional taxpayer money beyond her salary to herself via appointing a special counsel she has a romantic relationship with. There’s also the fact that one of the purposes of a special counsel may be to distance the DA from the case itself. When the DA appoints her lover, it doesn’t look like she’s distant from the case at all.

The Defendants are primarily victims of Willis targeting them for political reasons. The primary victims of Willis appointing her apparent lover as special counsel are the taxpayers.

As to strategic purposes for raising this sort of thing, the Defendants could be doing this for all sorts of reasons: mere spite for Willis and her office, another trip to the table hoping someone else will drop the charges, hoping the controversy itself will make the case go away, stalling the case, etc.

 

The interpretation of Trump’s statements and intent is everything in this case.

You read that and assume he means conjure votes out of thin air.

I read that and genuinely think he means there were at least that many more legal votes in his favor, and he just wanted them counted.

Is the latter good behavior? No. It’s inappropriate for a variety of reasons. Is it a solicitation to overthrow a rightfully decided election? I don’t think so. I think it’s an inappropriate appeal from the President to ensure the Georgia election was rightfully decided (in his mind).

I also think it’s worth noting for the people in the middle who lean towards favoring this indictment that the only purposes of this indictment can be deterrence and retribution, neither of which are seen as particularly effective outcomes of the justice system by the academic left. And rehabilitation is unnecessary in Trump’s case because he’s termed out even if he wins this election, and he doesn’t currently have the governing power that he did during the 2020 election. Despite this, here we are with the charges being brought. So ask yourself:
1) why now?
2) why do all of these prosecutors who happen to be bringing charges hate Trump?
3) why are all of these indictments rooted either in federal charges from the Biden DOJ or charges from liberal counties who hate Trump?

 

I'm not arguing that she did nothing wrong. In fact, I think she should probably lose her job over this. I was responding to the posters who think this affair should result in charges against the defendants being dropped, which no one has been able to explain why.

You're also confusing a Special Prosecutor with Special Counsel. A Special Prosecutor in Georgia is more like a consultant or hired help for complex cases. Fani Willis is still the lead prosecutor, so this isn't the same as the cases against Trump where Jack Smith was assigned to maintain independence from the DOJ.

As for this being politically motivated, an affair is irrelevant to that point, but regardless Willis has been able to convince a Grand Jury that Trump and the co-defendants likely committed a crime and she'll have to convince another jury of the same. If these are fabricated, politically motivated charges then it shouldn't be too hard to convince one juror.

 

"It is not prohibited because “it might help the Defendants,” it’s because Willis was likely using her powers as DA to funnel additional taxpayer money beyond her salary to herself via appointing a special counsel she has a romantic relationship with. " This is entirely speculation unless you possess evidence that has not been presented.

"There’s also the fact that one of the purposes of a special counsel may be to distance the DA from the case itself. When the DA appoints her lover, it doesn’t look like she’s distant from the case at all." Interesting you state that this is a fact. OK but there are other reasons for a special counsel that don't fit your narrative.

" The Defendants are primarily victims of Willis targeting them for political reasons. The primary victims of Willis appointing her apparent lover as special counsel are the taxpayers." Total buffoonery here as several defendants have plead GUILTY, and the political reasons conspiracy is not likely nor proven.

 

1. You may be right, but it is possible that corrupt circumstances surrounding the case leads to a dropping of the charges.
2. Thanks. I figured that may be the case, but wasn’t sure so I figured it was worth mentioning just in case. Either way, “the special counsel” point was secondary.
3. You can convince a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. Considering the polarizing nature of Trump venue in these cases may play a huge factor in their outcomes.
4. Fulton County went almost 75% for Biden in the election. That’s probably one of the most likely areas where the jury has a significant pre-existing prejudice against Trump.
5. Even if Trump is acquitted, the indictments including this one and their timing is a form of election interference. Time and money spent on defending himself from these indictments is time and money not spent campaigning. Not to mention the possibility that the election narrative will now be about Trump’s indictments rather than Joe Biden’s record, which is typically how incumbent presidential elections work, it’s about the sitting President’s record, not the challenger’s unproven criminal charges.

 

1. Do you take one-on-one vacations with your platonic female friends to Belize?
2. My special counsel point was secondary. Another poster highlighted that Willis remains the lead prosecutor so any appointment here was not to distance herself from the case. It would be an issue if it were, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
3. What do you mean not likely? A DA who hates Trump brought RICO charges in a county that hates Trump in an election year while that same DA may have violated RICO herself in her choice of appointment with special counsel in that very same case. It’s more likely than not that this was politically motivated. If you don’t see that, you’re either an anti-Trumper trying to justify this or you have this absurd level of faith in authority, which is ironic coming from the people who claim that Trump is the greatest current authoritarian threat we have.