Exxon Scientists Predicted Global Warming in 1970’s

Yeah, it isn't like there are massive entities with huge amounts of money that would have preferred the other answer and would have been willing to pay orders of magnitude more for well-done research showing the opposite effect, including the one that was the subject of the OP. The problem, of course, is that such research didn't exist because the effect wasn't the way they would have preferred it. Even if you really wish it did because it would help your political views.

BTW, the US government would have heavily preferred the other answer as well, as aerosol pollution was far easier to control. But sure, they were just driving research results to the results that they wouldn't prefer to get people who think like you or something.

 

As the years go by and at 66 years of age it's not hard to understand why I have such an opinion having lived through it all spring, summer, fall and winter. A 6th grader on the other hand doesn't have a clue.

For instance I know when Washington D.C. is due for another heavy snowfall. Why do I know this? I've lived the DC area for the majority of my life. What do you think is going to happen this year?

Washington DC - Extreme Daily Snowfall for Each Year

 

Global Warming has been predicted for some time.

How 19th Century Scientists Predicted Global Warming - JSTOR Daily

 

The fact that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas is beyond any kind of rational dispute.
So then it just becomes a question of degrees. The arguments against MMGW have to become more esoteric.
“It is way to arrogant to think we can have an effect on something so large”. Despite the fact that we have already caused the fastest extinction rate in world history. That we have completely remade the landscape over a majority of the planets land.
Or “methane or water vapor is a larger contributor”. As if that matters when we know what carbon does.
“The Earth warning is a good thing”. Which would be news to the ways of life dying in the poles, species going extinct, the droughts the world is suffering etc
“It’s not nearly as bad as the doomsday mob claims”. Which may be true, but look at all the quantifiable things we already know:
“The earth always goes through cycles”. Again true, but never at the rate if the current trend.
Not saying there’s any easy answer or that spending trillions should simply be ageeed to. But it would a nice start to admit the basic truth of its reality.

 

Elites arrive in Davos to discuss when to take your stove ...

 

So, I am partaking of Dry Jan & yet I can't stop thinking of cocktails. I've been making mocktails - got blueberry mint & a blackberry sage shrubs in the frig. We spend thanksgiving with 2 other fams & the women each concoct a cocktail. While I don't wanna muscle in on them, I've thought of, but not made a Yule Log which the 1st pass will be whiskey infused with cranberries, orange & simple syrup. Shake with ice, pour into class & place a big round ice cube that contains cinnamon & cayenne. It warms up (yule log) as the ice melts.

Anyway, this was inspired by a drink I had in San Juan called a global warming. No idea what was in it, but it was the same idea. So, I've made up this. Again, I have not tried it & won't until Feb. Here goes. The Docspor global warming ver. 1.0 = Tequila infused with strawberries, sage & simple syrup, shaken with ice with a big round ice cube that contains cayenne.

Turns out not drinking has set my mind on fire. Oh, yeah. I've also thought up what I will call a Desert Negroni which will be made with Mezcal, mole bitters & ????

 

This is amazing.

This is a thread that shows how the monied interest that would like AGW to be disproven did their own voluntary research came to the exact opposite conclusion. Yet, you claim that AGW is simply a money grab?

I'm just... how?

EDIT: @mdgator05 already made this point

 

I have that exact ice tray. Not the best design. The ice breaks in half too easily. Enjoy Jan. I do a month (30 days) starting the day I put the skis away. Spring is boring AF here and by then I could really use a drying out.

 

good to know...have not bought one yet. I was down in SW Colo last week & did a bucket list crossoff & skiied Wolf Creek. It was powder on top of powder. I never scrapped crusty snow & was still making fresh tracks at the end of the day. This is my baby who I left in the Mighty San Juans.



oh, @lacuna. We did not take the Grand Junction route. Wolf creek pass was gnarly enough...we did not wanna deal with Red Mt, Coal Bank & Molas.

 

It's a money grab on both ends of the argument.

 

A pretty sad attempt to "both sides" something when a "both sides" argument essentially invalidates your dismissal of the fact that even the people you are citing turned against the cooling argument by the mid-70s as being driven by research funding.

 

Really when I say follow the money I mean all of it not just the side of the argument you are for or against.

 

Nah, you wanted to dismiss the fact that even those you cite don't buy their own initial arguments anymore as being motivated by access to research funding, from an organization that would have preferred their original answer but somehow needed them to switch answers to fund their research, rather than because empirical evidence showed that they were wrong and they did what they are supposed to do, changed their opinion based upon that empirical evidence.

 

Concerning my comments on global cooling absolutely. When it didn't gain traction it flipped to AGW.

 

Why didn't it gain traction?

 

Couldn't scare the hell out of the public and it never made it into the school curriculum. With global cooling there is no distinction in visions of heaven and hell. With global warming the mantra is we will create our own hell on earth.

 

Really? You think a global ice age isn't frightening enough and so they switched to it will be somewhat warmer and that will cause a lot of cascading effects because it is just so much more tangible than decades of ice to the average person? Wow. That is far fetched even by the standards of those trying to avoid scientific evidence so as to avoid having to think about it.

 

I knew Steve Schneider, and that is not at all how he worked. All science is somewhat provisional, but there’s no way Schneider would have ever fabricated a scientific result for some money.

 

Horror movies are frightening. Satanic movies are frightening yet no one seems to be overly concerned with that. More over everyone knows humans survived an ice age.

AGW now that's a different story. In a highly communicative world I can reach all fours corners of the earth and scare the hell out of everyone. Keep pushing the narrative of human demise yet decades later New York isn't under water, the ice caps haven't melted away, the polar bear population is doing fine, Guam hasn't tipped over and we are still here. Not a single person has died due to AGW. The droughts, the floods, the earthquakes the volcanic ash and fires continue to plague the planet as since the beginning of time.

 

Both ends? The "end" that wants global warming to not be man made did their own study with their own money and learned that it is in fact man made. Then they spent more money to hide what they knew was the truth.

Both ends? Lol