Election Fraud by the Democrats??

Yes. PROVEN. Proven by multiple guilty pleas and admission in courtrooms and depositions they made it all up.

What you are demanding is for the other side to prove a negative. A logical fallacy.

What you are suggesting, is effectively that political operators or con-men can float any lie - and even when it’s proven or admited they made it all up, the onus is still on the other side to prove a negative. To disprove the lie. That seems like a tremendously stupid expectation.

 

I don’t think Trump filed any lawsuits, so zero. But if you mean Republicans, and you mean on the merits? I’ll still go with Zero.

 

The trump campaign filed multiple lawsuits

 

you need to go away with your ridiculous , clueless posts. A guilty plea as you reference does not prove or disprove a single element of voter fraud. Further, I didn’t ask you to prove a damn thing. I would never ask you to do something you’re incapable of doing.

 

hey dude, I think your keyboard broke, because it stopped working before you made a point.

 

Although Trump himself may not have filed any of the lawsuits at least 60 were filed on his behalf or on behalf of his campaign all with his support or at a minimum his implicit consent. It's a distinction without a real difference.

 

They lost 60 cases. But you think they would have won them if they had been decided on the merits? You just make up stuff you want to believe. What a nut.

 

Of course, the more vague a claim, the more difficult it is to falsify. However, the sorts of allegations about specific numbers of dead people voting in a given place or that the number of votes exceeded the number of voters....there ought to be sufficient data to evaluate.

 

There is voter fraud. But when the cases all deal with a small number of individuals and single digit number of fraud votes, just how much of a problem is it? Yes, all fraudulent voters should be caught and prosecuted, but say in an election with 3 million votes, won by over 10,000, will fraud be an issue? Not at all, because statistically, several studies throughout the years have shown fraud votes to be no more than 1 in 50,000 to 1 in 100,000.

So out of those 3 million votes, as many as 60 may be fraudulent. And likely split no worse than 60/40 for one candidate over another, so a total of 12 votes for one candidate over the other. And if one candidate won by more than 10k votes, 60 votes isn't going to change the outcome at all.

The above describes Arizona in 2020. About 3.3 million votes, Biden won by more than 10k, and when the votes were counted, counted again, audited, and audited again, the number of votes that changed were within 50, and after every count, Biden won by about 10k.

When people say there was no voter fraud in 2020, what we are saying is fraud was within statistical expectancies and it is statistically impossible for there to have been anywhere near enough fraud to overturn even a single state, let alone several states. Out of all the millions of votes cast in 2020, the amount of total fraud, nation-wide, would be expected to top out at about 9,000. Not enough to overturn a single state, and this assumes all the fraud going all in one direction, which again, isn't statistically improbable.

Voter fraud is a small problem that 99,999 times out of 10,000 is statistically insignificant in that it won't overturn an election. The 1 time it might, the election is already very close and the fraud will likely be discovered during a recount and/or audits.

 

In how many of the “60 cases” did a judge or jury look at all the evidence and come to a determination that there was no election fraud as alleged in the complaint??

 

In most cases the 'evidence' was so flimsy that the judge just threw it out. That's what they do when cases have no merit at all.

 

So you're convinced that Trump really won the election and that it was stolen from him through massive fraud? From one Trump's own appointees, a lifelong Republican and an expert on cyber security.
Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false
Trump legitimately lost the 2020 presidential election. It's time quit promulgating the fabrication that he lost as the result of massive voter fraud.

 

count them up and let us know.

 

Trump v Biden in Wisconsin. Trump v. Wisconsin Election Commission. Donald J. Trump for President vs. Boockvar (thrown out for standing but the court also ruled on the merits of his claims). Would you like me to keep going? There are quite a number of these.

 

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the fact that you claim that a case was thrown out on standing, but the judge ruled on the merits anyway is all I need to know about your ability to read court decisions. That’s impossible. But knock yourself out, tell me how many other mistakes you can make in one post.

 

Here is the ruling:

Healthy Elections Project - Case Details

Or, to quote directly from the decision:

Tell me again how the ruling on merits is impossible.

 

it took me a total of four minutes to speed read the Wisconsin case to realize, again, how wrong you are. The court did not rule on the merits of that claim. Instead, they ruled on a defense asserted by Joe Biden, that Trump waited too long to file suit. (Laches) The one claim they correctly found meritless on its face (allegations in the complaint) was because the campaign asked for the wrong relief in their complaint. This part of the decision does not in any way say there was not fraud. The court did not review any evidence. Instead, it says the Trump campaign cannot seek the invalidation of votes in only 2 counties on a statewide form. This was just dumb attorneys. Typically, you would just replead this and it would be rectified, but not here because of the equitable defense of laches. It can’t be fixed by repleading. I deal with laches all the time in my practice, and I think the court got this wrong. Read the dissent for some of the bad conduct Wisconsin engaged in. This gives them “unclean hands” and thus should serve to deny them equitable relief. Laches defenses are cop outs by Judges.



This decision does not support your assertion that a court found no fraud on the merits.

current score:

you- 0
Truth - 2

 

Wisconsin Supreme Court tosses Trump election lawsuit