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Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, May 2, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

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    "“They always have a GoPro or similar-looking body cam set up when they’re out there,” Mobley says. When she asks them about it, the protesters say they’re filming for their own protection. Sometimes, she says, activists will set up a public Wi-Fi network called “abortion info” that, should a patient join thinking it belongs to the clinic, will lead to a page filled with anti-abortion materials.

    Defenders we spoke to say that anti-abortion activists haven’t used the data to track down and harass patients lately, but there is a long history of their doing so. If the Supreme Court rules as expected, access to legal abortion will be subject to state laws; 13 states have “trigger laws” that would ban abortions should Roe be overturned, for instance. For residents of states that outlaw abortion, this sort of surveillance could make it dangerous to cross state lines in search of care.
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    Some states that protect abortion services might be able to limit what out-of-state law enforcement can do directly, he notes, but that “doesn’t mean that there won’t be anti-abortion vigilantes recording information [outside of clinics] and then sending it to aggressive prosecutors in abortion-banned states.”

    There is evidence that anti-abortion activists are already keeping close track of legal abortion activity. In 2014, for example, a recording surfaced of a training session for Texas anti-abortion activists, led by Karen Garnett of the Catholic Pro-Life Committee of North Texas. In it, Garnett explained how license plate tracking is used to keep tabs on both a clinic’s clients and its doctors."

    Anti-abortion activists are collecting the data they’ll need for prosecutions post-Roe

    Lots of videos and the like out there showing how protesters take photos of plates, patients' faces, etc. It's one reason a lot of clinic escorts carry massive umbrellas.
     
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    So in essence those wombs become property of the state. How dystopian get things get?
     
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    Never ask that question. They may take it as a challenge.
     
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    It's where a good chunk of this country is headed.

    Saw a sign that said "Government wants to force you to give birth but not guarantee your child survives til recess"
     
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    Woman on tiktok started a video to stitch telling your significant other that you're not comfortable being intimate with him unless he gets a vasectomy if they overturn Roe v Wade.

    Pleasantly shocked at the number whose partners already made appointments or without hesitation said "okay I'll do it". The original woman did it because she told her partner this and he started going on about how it was his body, no one could make him do it, he didn't see the need, etc.

    Good for them. When a miscarriage can land your woman in jail it's a big deal.
     
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    It's where a small minority of this country that has outsized control is headed, which because of this messed up situation means where this country is headed. Extremist rw wins a culture war battle, the country loses.
     
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    You're correct. I should've put "geographically" in there. 23 states I believe is a "good chunk" -- I understand the voters don't want it for the most part. The folks that were elected do. My bet is those voters who voted for them didn't think they'd go that strict and now can't do anything until the next election....and with gerrymandering that voters likely didn't care about because it didn't affect them or they just wanted to "get the libs", it may be easier to move than vote them out.
     
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    "I kid you not: Republican candidate for governor in Oklahoma, Mark Sherwood now says that life begins in God before conception. That’s it. I got nothin else."

    ........

    Don't know how to process that. Guess menstrual cycles and masturbation really ARE murder too! LOL
     
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    Peter from the 5-4 podcast just said something really clever. He celebrated the leak, as opposed to the opinion, because he labels himself a Supreme Court Deligitimacy Accelerationist. Says it's high time those outside the narrow legal world saw them as the unprincipled political hacks they are.

    Here, here!
     
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    Technically life began about 3500 million years ago when the first prokaryotic life form was created and life will end when the last life form dies. I suppose his explanation is what you would expect if you failed middle school science and became a Branch Davidian.
     
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    He’s being fringe theological. Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalm 139, Alpha Omega stuff. It’s out there, but that is what he is dog whistling. Don’t think it’s a misstatement
     
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    Well this is interesting


    Ahead of a historic Supreme Court decision on the fate of Roe v. Wade, the nation recorded its first significant increase in the abortion rate in more than three decades, according to new statistics.

    The rate rose 7%, from 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women and girls of child-bearing age in 2017 to 14.4 in 2020, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights.

    Overall, there were 930,160 abortions in the United States in 2020, up 8% from 862,320 in 2017.


    Studies authors speculate greater private funding and Medicaid access, as well 45 Admin cutting Title X contraception and family planing for the increase
    tampabaytimes
     
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    Trump is the first president since Carter to preside over back to back years of abortion rate increases.
     
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    Jesus said, "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander."

    Murder comes from the heart, and those who tolerate it also do so from the heart.
     
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  19. tampagtr

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    As stated above, there is a small community with independent access to the court and justices, with joint strategy, etc. These cases don't just show up on SC the docket, and the arguments and strategy are not revealed to certain justices in the briefs - they are freely coordinated beforehand to reach policy aims. Another data point inadvertently revealing part of the contacts


    Nienaber is Liberty Counsel’s executive director of DC Ministry, as well as the vice president of Faith & Liberty, whose ministry offices sit directly behind the Supreme Court. She spoke to a livestreamer who goes by Connie IRL, seemingly unaware she was being recorded. “You actually pray with the Supreme Court justices?” the livestreamer asked. “I do,” Nienaber said. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them.” She did not specify which justices prayed with her, but added with a chortle, “Some of them don’t!” The livestreamer then asked if Nienaber ministered to the justices in their homes or at her office. Neither, she said. “We actually go in there.”

    Nienaber intended her comments, broadcast on YouTube, to be “totally off the record,” she says in the clip. That’s likely because such an arrangement presents a problem for the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which not only weighed in on the Dobbs case as a friend of the court, but also litigated and won a 9-0 Supreme Court victory this May in a case centered on the public display of a religious flag.


    The Supreme Court did not respond to a request for comment. Liberty Counsel’s founder, Mat Staver, strenuously denied that the in-person ministering to justices that Nienaber bragged about exists. “It’s entirely untrue,” Staver tells Rolling Stone. “There is just no way that has happened.” He adds: “She has prayer meetings for them, not with them.” Asked if he had an explanation for Nienaber’s direct comments to the contrary, Staver says, “I don’t.”

    But the founder of the ministry, who surrendered its operations to Liberty Counsel in 2018, tells Rolling Stone that he hosted prayer sessions with conservative justices in their chambers from the late-1990s through when he left the group in the mid-2010s. Rob Schenck, who launched the ministry under the name Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, described how the organization forged ministry relationships with Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and the late Antonin Scalia, saying he would pray with them inside the high court.

    SCOTUS Justices 'Prayed With' Her -- Then Cited Her Bosses to End Roe
     
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