Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

When the GOP does stuff like this, I like to look at how they are gaming it out.

They probably feel like worst case scenario liberals choose to move to the blue/purple states diluting the vote nationwide and allowing them to grab firm hold of the just barely red states.

 

Let's just hope that the new retrumplican party counts the votes and certifies the elections.

 

It's dishonest. And I work in healthcare so yes, aborted fetuses, limbs, castrated penises, hearts, etc all are considered medical waste. When the fetus has reached viability but dies/has to be aborted due to catastrophic complications yes some states will issue a certificate, one of the reasons being so the parent can burry their baby. We're talking past 24, 26 weeks. The fetuses that would make up the medical waste are way way way less developed and not viable.

This is why viability is my line by the way. Btw in the old days abortion was supported "until the quickening" (I think Ben Franklin was one), which is when you feel movement, around 15-16 weeks.

The picture she's trying to paint is some Gerber baby being tossed into some huge furnace while some hunched troll cackles in evil laughter.

 

Good thread on the Constitution and why Alito is full of it.

 

Women can refuse all they want. Won't stop men who don't understand the concept of no means no, though.

For the rest, though, yeah absolutely. Refuse to sleep with men. It's now too dangerous for women.

Problem is the incels will be complaining more about "not getting any", which will make them more violent too. Hopefully that won't happen

 

Rumors are decision could come today.

 

Oh I know. There have been states just WAITING for the chance to demolish women's rights. Just thought it was noteworthy.

No blindsiding people before leaving disappearing for break. Leak helped prepare people.

My boss has been looking to expand her practice but she didn't have many takers. She doesn't pay as much as others. In the last week we've had inquiries from 6 doctors, 15 nurse practitioners/physicians assistants, and dozens of nurses. NONE local, and nearly all from the South/Midwest.

All female.

I feel sorry for the ones that can't afford to get out. But those that can, need to leave for their safety.

 

The majority of people that think banning contraceptives is ridiculous. Also, the lower courts. I have no doubt some DOA legislation will be forthcoming, but do you really think it will pass? Possession of a condom will be illegal? Birth control pills will get you hard time?

I'm not trying to minimize the threat posed by this recent foray into social engineering by the Supreme Court. Not at all. I'm extremely dispirited and anxious about the entire mess. Mostly about abortion rights and the debasement of the SC.

 

The condom one hasn't passed. They've already done that with birth control (ex Louisiana). Now will it hold up against challenges? Don't know. But in Louisiana's case they even admitted some of what they were doing was unconstitutional, and they said they didn't care, were doing it anyway, and folks could challenge them.

Even if it doesn't spell out birth control pills, the ban on anything that to them causes an abortion would put birth control into that category.

This whole thing is bigger than abortion and that's something that anti-abortionists in their religious zeal are ignoring or missing altogether. And it will bite them in the rear end.

 

A nice big chunk, I hope. It certainly seems like a kamikaze strategy, to me.

Meanwhile, the world is literally burning, and the biggest issue on the GOP's radar is rescinding reproductive rights and pearl-clutching over gender identities.

If the Dems can't win with this kind of ammunition, I don't know what to say.

 

Guess those saying announcement today were wrong unless I missed it.

Meanwhile thought this was a good breakdown for folks

 

Good question found online.

If a woman is denied care due to banning abortion, as in an ectopic rupture, and she dies, can her family sue the state for her death?

I would think that's a yes but I'm not a lawyer.

 

Just as valid now as it was in 1986, but carry on.

 

Is it from 1986? I didn't see a stamp & it's the first time I've seen it. But yes just as valid now

 

One of our mods gave me some grief about 1986 wanting the talking point back when I pointed out that if you don't believe in abortion, don't get one.

 

Soldiers Facing Discrimination from State Laws Could Request Transfers Under Draft Army Policy

"The Army is circulating a draft policy tweak that would specify that soldiers can request to move if they feel state or local laws discriminate against them based on gender, sex, religion, race or pregnancy, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the plans.

The guidance, which would update a vague service policy to add specific language on discrimination, is far from final and would need approval from Army Secretary Christine Wormuth. But if enacted, it could be one of the most progressive policies for the force amid a growing wave of local anti-LGBTQ and restrictive contraception laws in conservative-leaning states, where the Army does most of its business.

The policy would ostensibly sanction soldiers to declare that certain states are too racist, too homophobic, too sexist or otherwise discriminatory to be able to live there safely and comfortably.

"Some states are becoming untenable to live in; there's a rise in hate crimes and rise in LGBT discrmination," Lindsay Church, executive director of Minority Veterans of America, an advocacy group, told Military.com. "In order to serve this country, people need to be able to do their job and know their families are safe. All of these states get billions for bases but barely tolerate a lot of the service members.""
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Oh I hope this passes. You know how many soldiers live in unsafe states?

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3497031-justice-alitos-alternate-abortion-facts/

Discusses how abortion was actually legal back in the times he referenced, and it wasn't until the late 1860s or so when the Catholic church changed it's stance on when life begins that more restrictions came about.

 

For those interested, a helpful guide.