Draft Alito opinion leaked overturning Roe

Good read about states with plans in place to restrict/ban abortion.

13 states have passed so-called 'trigger laws,' bans designed to go into effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned - CNN

 

Thank you. I wondered the same. Alito seems to believe the 10th amendment is more important than the 9th amendment.

 

Susan Collins is miffed. She said that (depending on individual votes) this means that the assurances she got fro Gorsuch and (I think) Kavanaugh while talking with her in her chambers were disingenuous.

 

stuck into gerrymandered areas defined to determine the outcome and then given the lesser of two evils to choose from

 

Utter nonsense. You know, the usual.

 

she doesn't understand the definition of disingenuous. She means they lied to her.

 

That’s the debate no? Everyone agrees a woman has the right to choose… up until it’s a life.

I would argue all of us are hard core pro lifers. Once you deem something is a life you’d protect it just as much as I would.

 

Alito in this decision summarized: A British lady in 1732 went to jail for killing her fetus and nothing in between then and 2022 should matter.

 

Yes. Clearly there is no consensus on when life begins… hence why this debate exists in the first place. If we all agreed it began at say 14 weeks then there wouldn’t even be a discussion about this.

 

I have not fully read Alito's draft yet, but the implications could be interesting based upon the comments I'm seeing. The Court in Pierce v. Society of Sisters struck down a law requiring that kids go to public schools only based upon a finding that parents have certain liberty interests under the 14th Amendment in how their children are raised. Of course, those words are not spelled out in the 14th Amendment.

 

I have no issues with contraception at all and I would venture to say most do not.

When it comes to abortion it is understandable to have the opinion of when a fetus becomes viable outside of the womb. I will say medical advances continue to shorten the period of viability outside of the womb. What differences that occurs between full term versus premature I can't say. Nor can I identify a degradation of development based on length of term say 26 weeks or vs 40 weeks as an example. That is something the medical community has to determine.

As to when life begins from my perspective life begins the moment of inception. This is my personal view as without inception there is no life. Of course we know the pregnancy is not viable at inception but it is the beginning of life. Without inception there is no pregnancy no life. That is not to say I am against abortion in all cases and it is understandable why a female may require or want an abortion for any number of reasons that she they can justify for herself. What I will say is thankfully I'm not an OB/GYN as my leaning is toward life and I would have a very difficult time justifying an abortion that by all indications would carry to full term. Given such a situation I would have to say sorry not me but other OB/GYN doctors will provide such services talk to the head nurse for references.

That said if Justice Alito's leaked opinion holds the laws of abortion will be determined by the individual States. What those laws will entail will be varied without doubt. It doesn't mean abortion will not be available in the US.

 

Forget when life begins, the question should be, does the women have autonomy over her own body? Even if this means that given this power, it could mean a choice to end a life? If a person is in dire need of a transplant to survive, and there is only one, potential donor match, would we force the potential donor to give up their organ? Or would we argue the person has autonomy over his/her own body, and could tell the dying person no, even if it meant certain death for the person needing the transplant?

A fetus is solely and completely dependent upon the woman's body for life. If the person who doesn't want to give up an organ for a transplant, why should a woman be forced to share her organs for 9 months if she chooses not to?

Then there's the practical matter. Outlawing abortions doesn't lower abortion rate. For those with means, they simply travel to areas where abortions are legal. For those without, a thriving black market pops up and takes care of this demand, with the outcome being more botched attempts and complications. Is every major hospital having a septic ward to take care of botched abortions truly better for society?

 

I don’t see how you can argue bodily autonomy as an enumerated right given dozens of dozens of laws going against that. Drug laws, helmet laws, seat belt laws, the draft, vaccine mandates, etc. The evidence is massive that it is not a enumerated right and has not been treated as such throughout our history.

Should it be? I personally wish it was. But you can’t possibly say bodily autonomy right exists for abortions but doesn’t exist for other things. That defeats the entire definition of a right

 

Really a decision based on religious indoctrination over the years. When does life begin? Oh my. Much like the term will of the people, it tends to get used when we need to push our views on another.
Now if life begins at inception, then there cannot logically be any exceptions nor death penalty.
I wish abortion was never needed, but as an old dude, any argument I could make, a woman could counter and then trump with it is my body. Let women decide and the men snowflakes can have a crying game if they are so offended.

 

Bodily autonomy has never been a right. Dozens of dozens of examples. Many the left push and many the right push.

And you cannot argue for woman’s right to choose and ignore the question of life.

Clearly you cannot go murder someone right now? It’s your bodily autonomy, no? Obviously you’d say you can’t because you’d be infringing on the life of another.

So clearly the question on when that rule should begin is one that is of utmost importance