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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatoragman, May 31, 2023.

  1. ajoseph

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    I think this is really well said.
     
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  2. ursidman

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    Earthworms
     
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  3. middleoftheroadgator

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    Who is "surrounding" their children with drag queens though? Isn't that a pretty big part of the equation? They act like there's a drag queen on every corner. There isn't. This is FEAR based.
     
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  4. littlebluelw

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    And snook. They transform from male to female after a number of years.
     
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Nice call.
     
  6. ursidman

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    That’s right. How could I forget something that tastes so good?
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Because I believe it is the job of parents to prepare their kids for a life outside the nest. And trans people exist. It's likely that one day, the kid is going to run into a trans person. Would you rather the kid be prepared because the parent didn't avoid it while they were little, and talked about it in an age appropriate way? Or do you think it's better the kid has some sort of fear of the trans person because the parent instilled said fear when turning away from the trans person when the kid was smaller?

    Knowledge is power, and we shouldn't be fearful of things that are different. One of my favorite Dylan lines is, "Don't criticize what you don't understand." That doesn't mean you or anyone else has to like or approve of trans people. But if we first try to understand and have some empathy, then we often find we are kinder people. Someone turning his kids away from even looking at and discussing trans people is the opposite of trying to understand. And is certainly a criticism of transgenders. One that is likely to lead to hate, distrust, and and continuation of bigotry in the future.

    Switch gender to skin color. How would you feel if a white family saw an AA woman playing the part of the Fairy Godmother's helper, and the parent turned away because he/she didn't want a woman of color helping his/her daughter? What would you tell this parent? That it's ok if he/she doesn't believe the mixing of races is normal, and therefore they shouldn't expose their child to it?
     
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  8. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I think you’re right but you’re overplaying your point.
    I can’t speak for others but I’d bet they do the same as me. I do talk to my children about different people.
    It’s not hateful as you seem to think.
    My children are kind and mostly thoughtful.
     
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  9. homer

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  10. UFLawyer

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    You are convoluting so many things here, with no real basis. If I’m taking my five year old to Disney World, and want to indulge her by buying her, a princess dress at Bibbidi-Bobbity Boop, I am probably looking for a genuine Disney experience. Since there are no princesses in the Disney catalog consisting of grown men, with full facial hair, wearing women’s clothing, I don’t think I’m getting the full Disney experience. And no, I don’t want my five year old daughter discussing transgenderism, gayness, LQTBQXYZ, politics, FSU football, leather underwear, bestiality, Ron Zook, and a boat load of other things. She is 5. We are on vacation. We are at Disney trying to find a $250 princess dress. When she turns 7 I will have the Zook talk with her. Other topics will arise when age appropriate.

    Just because I don’t introduce Porn to my 5, 7 or 9 year old daughter doesn’t mean she won’t know about sexual relations when she she is ready. But I am not going to normalize Princess Bob’s behavior in front of my 5 year old daughter because it doesn’t fit into our family’s norms and values. To do so would create confusion. Your family is entitled to have your own set of values, and that is awesome. Go for it. But you don’t get to impose your values on my family.

    I knew it was a matter of time before someone fell back on the race card. The color of one’s skin is innate and unalterable. It is irrelevant in every aspect of life, with exception of a few medical conditions. A dude putting on a Princess dress is a choice…a choice that does not fit into my family’s values. The difference is obvious and clear.
     
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  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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  12. Sohogator

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    You spelled insufferable prick wrong….
     
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  13. homer

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    Disagree.

    He’s a damn good sheriff.
     
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  14. AzCatFan

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    And a family with norms that doesn't include mixing races? You OK if they avoid a salesperson of a different color? OK, race us immutable (unless you're Michael Jackson), what about a family who has norms about not mixing with those of different religions, and the salesperson is covering her head and wearing a crescent? Is that OK? Religion is mutable.

    Now, have a little empathy. Does the man wearing a dress feel different if a family turns away any different than a woman of a different race or religion? Nope. Being rejected due to bigotry feels the same regardless of reason.

    And while you might not want to talk about trans issues or FSU fans with your 5-year old, if you're out in public, it might be unavoidable. And do you teach bigotry, or do you teach acceptance and tolerance of those who are different than you? I hope it's the latter, because the former tends to be passed down generation to generation and leads to hate and discrimination.
     
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  15. Sohogator

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    He plays one really well on WTVT. Not so much on other channels what up with that? Seems completely unprofessional and a blow hard to my trained eye. I judge a sheriffs effectiveness on how often I hear from them.
     
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    50 year sheriff that’s raised thousands of dollars for charity. One that says he fortunate to be where he is. Look up his charities and get back with me.

    I judge a sheriff on what’s he’s accomplished as an LEO. I worked for one of the best ever in Florida, Walter Heinrich. Grady is right up there with Walter.
     
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  17. Sohogator

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    I don’t give him much credit for charity work. It nice but it’s part of being a good person which I assume he is. Not essential to being a good sheriff in the least and I don’t care about his backstory.

    He should shut up and just do his job which might require him to be on camera 1 or 2 times a month in a small county.

    End of rant but I really dislike narcissists.

    Edit he looks like he’s doing a terrible job

    Violent crime in Polk up 31 percent since 2019
     
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  18. UFLawyer

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    My moral compass is rock solid. I have no guilt, no empathy, no concern for things that do not fit within my relatively large bubble. Your hypos don’t move my needle a bit. I don’t care about racist people. They can all get eaten by ants… I would not blink an eye. Same with religious intolerance. Those examples you give have nothing to do with me. You don’t seem to grasp the distinction between morally unacceptable and kindness. You can and should be kind to everyone, including those people who make life choices you disagree with. It’s also ok to me morally intolerant….otherwise you don’t truly have any morals, right?
     
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    My wife has often done similar tho religion was never part of her rationale/motivation. She's just a good person (far better than me in fact).
     
  20. AzCatFan

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    You have no empathy. You said it yourself. Think about the African American who sees a white family turn away so they don't have to interact. Think the man in the dress feels different than the African American when you turn your family away from him?

    And I have morals. I just give people the benefit of the doubt first. If a person is a jerk, racist, etc., I have no problem not associating with them. But discriminating based on looks, religion, color, creed, or anything? Going to try and not let that happen.

    Because I know what that feels like. I know how not only does it hurt the person being discriminated against, and I know the hate it can breed among the people doing the discrimination.

    It takes more than just being kind to people. That's a good start. But if the kindness is only skin deep and the hatred still runs deep, the hate will surface eventually.

    You call it morals. I call it bigotry based on looks. This guy could be the nicest, best employee in the park, and give your kid a great time. But you'd never know because of your bigotry.
     
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