Disney scraps plans for new Florida campus, mass employee relocation amid DeSantis feud

DeSantis is Yosemite Sam and Disney is Bugs Bunny.

 

That’s good.

 

With DeSantis voice he’s more like Elmer Fudd.

 

In general culture is a bottom up phenomenon, not a top down thing, and especially not dictated by the government, unless of course you live in a theocracy.

You and Bluke really seem to have been captured by this culture war notion and the compulsion to fear it fight over it and control it.

 

Throw their weight? Former CEO Chapek made a comment about the PRIE law. That's hardly throwing the weight of the Walt Disney Company around. And dear leader had no problem with Disney until the former CEO had the audacity to disagree with him, then he went after Disney and violated its First Amendment rights.

 

I agree that Disney has First Amendment protection here and therefore, I don't like what DeSantis did. At the same time, I don't want to go overboard here and endorse Disney's stance. Disney isn't speaking out against the PRIE out of the goodness of their hearts. They have a rather high proportion of gay employees and also profit immensely from the LBTG community. I wouldn't be surprised if there pressure from within to speak out against PRIE, given their presence in Florida. All that said, political retribution shouldn't be utilized here. DeSantis would have been better off in exercising his First Amendment rights and speak out against Disney, bringing awareness to his base. Taking away special tax status, etc etc just feeds the narrative from the left. Frankly, Trump seems like a breath of fresh air compared to DeSantis, atm.

 

It's not supposed to be both, but it's been both for a while now. And government doesn't have to influence culture through overt policy. It can be something as simple as threats or mobilizing your base against something to the point that this thing is shut down or loses influence and control.

But I would agree, ideally the culture is its own thing and that influences the politics. That's how the country SHOULD run. But that's not how the country ACTUALLY runs. And this did not start with DeSantis or Trump.

I have my limits, but yes. If you don't fight for it, the country is already lost. And if you think the alternative where you don't fight for it is Democrats letting you mind your own business and live your life, then you haven't been paying attention.

I just want to play the same game to the end that everyone realizes this is a bad idea, and we all leave each other alone. What I am not a fan of is one side doing it "for the right reasons" like fighting "homophobia" when they really mean Christians and "women's rights" when they really mean abortion, then saying the other side shouldn't do it. If that's the game we're playing, everyone has a right to play under those rules.

And the quicker we all realize that this sort of thing is bad for the country, and you shouldn't characterize your every agenda item as the human rights issue of our lives... the quicker we go back to living in a normal country where your neighbor may disagree with you politically, but you respect them all the same.

 

you know its bad when Rubio sounds like the voice of reason. I just wonder if the latino population will get mad enough to force Rubio to say something similar about the new immigration laws

Florida's GOP Senators Issue Warnings to Ron DeSantis (msn.com)

"I think where it gets problematic in the eyes of some people is when you start creating the idea—and I'm not saying we're there yet as a state—but the idea that somehow if you run crossways with us politically, whoever's in charge, then you may wind up in the crosshairs of the legislature for political purposes to make a statement at you," Rubio said.

Speaking further, Rubio floated the prospect of a future Democratic governor targeting Chick-fil-A, a popular fast food chain noted for the conservative politics and devout Christian beliefs of its corporate leadership.

 

As I read this, it just confirms my belief that Eisner is gong to squash DeS.

The one person who could stop DeSantis isn’t Trump (msn.com)

Back in the late 90s, when I was the director of communications for former Senator Bob Dole (R-Kansas), I had the chance to speak with Iger a couple of times. He was a vice president at Disney and honestly could not have been nicer or more professional. But even then, it was clear that Iger not only very much understood how Washington worked in a political and relationship way, but was better positioning Disney to engage in the political process if needed.

Today, over two decades later, he is one of the most powerful and respected CEOs in the world. Now, while Iger is a Democrat and seemingly leans left, I suspect the fight he is now waging against DeSantis — originally initiated by his predecessor, Bob Chapek — is one he would have preferred to avoid.
But, as he and his company are now smack in the middle of it, he has no intention of losing. And that is the fear of several Republicans and independents I spoke with. They worry that DeSantis picked a fight with a man and a company that have a virtually bottomless budget and can roll wave after wave of the nation’s best corporate and litigation attorneys across the state of Florida.

As if to confirm that worry, last week Iger went on the attack against DeSantis and his team, stating, “This is about one thing and one thing only, and that’s retaliating against us for taking a position about pending legislation” — the “this” being the ever-escalating fight for control of the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which was created in 1967 to give Disney broad self-governing powers.

 

Ok. So it’s about abortion. FFS.

 

This is who Rubio has always been. And now you're jumping on his bandwagon because he's useful to you? Pathetic.

And here's the thing, he's right that it's a problem. He's wrong that we're not there yet. We've been there which is a big reason you see corporations feeling the need to insert themselves into every cultural political issue.

Some of it is "Republicans will buy our product anyways, let's market to the Democrats who need more pandering." A great deal of it is also "maybe if we say what Democrats want us to say, they'll leave us alone." And that latter part is why we see DeSantis doing what he's doing. He is attempting (and will more than likely fail) to remove a privilege that Disney has that I do not believe the other Orlando parks have. People are acting like he's throwing Mickey Mouse in the gulag.

Rubio on this issue is where everybody should want the country to be. Unfortunately, there's a lot of powerful people who want to cudgel everyone with the nerve of disagreeing with them into submission. And you're not going to get them to stop by telling them they're "being a problem." The only way to beat them is to beat them at their own game. You can't win an argument with someone who will strip the platform on which you speak right out from underneath you then brand you as a Nazi. And we're seeing an awful lot of that today.

 

No, it's not just about abortion. At this point, you'll never get it. I've tried.

 

stupid sentiment. using something that is useful is pathetic? Not being a full-on partisan is pathetic? Analyzing positions 1 by 1 rather than wholesale swallowing it all or condemning it all is pathetic?

sheep gonna sheep

 

what you don't get is that we should not see each other as the enemy in some sort of war, cultural or otherwise.

ask yourself who benefits if we see each other as enemies? the surest way to defeat a country is to divide them and anyone who sees opposing opinions as the enemy who must be crushed is advancing the division

 

Unlike some here I’ve called out what I see as occasional overreach on “culture” type issues, but it isnt something that consumes me, and for the most part I don’t see it as something the government needs to be involved in. When I think of government involved in culture I think of Victor Orban, Vladimir Putin, Shi zen ping, the Taliban, etc.

 

You're right. Then stop calling anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders racist/sexist/bigoted/deplorable. Stop trying to keep Chick-Fil-A out of your city. And stop trying to punish Walgreens for playing it safe on abortion regulation.

Republican options to all of the above are:
1. Submitting to the mob and joining them
2. Stay silent waiting until the mob comes for them or
3. Fighting the mob.

I think that choice is easy.

That's where you have it wrong. I didn't want this. But I wasn't the one who turned everything I don't like into a race issue or a sex issue or a bigotry issue... a "rights" issue, which in this context means defining these issues in a manner parallel to core left-wing agenda items, then clubbing people for refusing to go along with these core left-wing agenda items.

If you don't want a divided country, take it up with them. They stop, I'll be happy to step between guys like DeSantis and them (though frankly, I don't think I'd have to, I have a feeling he'd go away on his own). Until then, I'm not getting in his way. I am not going to protect the very people who would choose to deny me a platform and ruin my business for a guy revoking or attempting to revoke a privilege that is atypical for Florida corporations.

 

You are 100% wrong. Look at any polls...majority are NOT behind him. Independents are MAJORITY against these culture wars. Add abortion in? He is totally done on a national level. He will get killed in any national race. Even among my conservative friends they feel he has gone way too far. Again, you are WRONG. You want him to be on the right side because it is your side. But the FACTS are...MOST people don't want all this drama. Call it WOKE FATIGUE. It is real. It is happening.

 

Seriously. He can't see it because he is overinvested at this point and his mind poisoned to believe whatever propaganda thrown his way to encourage his viewpoint. He also throws one offs out like they are the norm. ONE chickfila in Boston..ONE. Walgreens in ONE state. These are one offs not the national norm. If so, he would have an argument. One I would side with him on but these are not the norms. They are exceptions. WHen you start using one drag queen or one trans person or one chickfila...you have fallen to the propaganda on YOUR side. You must be MORE malleable in your stance. This all or nothing BS culture war is ridiculous.

 

We won't have to wait long to find out.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ors-trans-women-participating-in-sports-poll/

"A majority of Americans oppose allowing gender-affirming care for minors and transgender women participating in women’s sports, a poll found.

A Washington Post-KFF poll found that 68 percent of adults oppose access to puberty-blocking medication for transgender children ages 10-14 and 58 percent oppose access to hormonal treatments for transgender kids ages 15 to 17."

Parents Are Split on 'Don't Say Gay' Policy

• "41% of American parents support the teaching or discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in K-12 classrooms, while 44% are opposed."
  

But to your credit, I will agree that a majority definitely think he's gone too far on abortion. He may be right, but that was not a strategically wise move.