Dictatorship and democracy

So now elections are fair? You guys are hilarious

 

Propaganda works

 

The Democratic party may be about to nominate someone younger, because they care about everyone's votes and are concerned that people may *effectively* be voting for a VP candidate, due to age issues.

The Republican party obviously has no such concern, or care for democracy, so they are happy to run an exceedingly unhealthy geriatric who is likely to die during his term. It's sad, really.



Oh, also, because they don't care about our country or democracy, Republicans nominated a convicted felon who stole classified documents and refused to return them, and enacted a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election.

We should never forget that last part. It's a lot worse than hypothetically replacing a candidate who agrees to it.

 

If I recall a number of State Republican Parties cancelled their primaries in 2020. While it wouldn't have a made any difference in the end they obviously wanted to avoid even an appearance of a challenge to to then sitting president, a guy who suggested that bleach or light should be considered as treatments for Covid, a guy who praised Xi before condemning him, a guy who said that Covid 19 would disappear, a guy who pushed Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid even though it was useless and the net effect was the creation of shortages of the drug for patients who needed it to treat conditions for which it was beneficial.
Five GOP Primaries Were Cancelled. What’s the Big Deal? And this was October 1919 other states also cancelled their Republican primaries.

 

92, I also have reverence for long-standing norms, but I think your argument has some fundamental flaws.

First, political parties are private corporations, and their nominee selection processes are up to them alone. They can always just decide that next year they will select a candidate without any public input or by coin flip if they wish.

Second, money has always been in politics. There is no doubt that many Republican nominations have tilted based on the desires of a subset of our population. And even after they get elected, the actions of most of our leaders have no doubt been influenced by agenda setters. Saying that donors can’t do what they want with their own money or else they become dictators is an ironic stance.

Third, no one is under any requirement to vote for the Democratic nominee. We can all freely vote for anyone we want. People could just write in Biden, even if Harris ends up the nominee.

Lastly, your definition of dictatorship appears to be so broad as to destroy its meaning. Again, the nomination is no legally binding proclamation. It has nothing to do with law. A dictator, as properly understood, would have no or few constitutional checks on their power. This would be someone that would try to overrun the other branches of government, or legislate from the pen as they say. If that is the kind of person you fear being in power, you must have sorely disappointed by each of our previous 5 or 6 presidents. Unfortunately, pushing legal boundaries seems to be standard procedure for both parties at this point. But some people asking the presumptive nominee to step down after it seemed like he was not capable is hardly a dictatorship.

 

The rambling nonsense of pubs on here is getting pretty bad.

 

The party that wanted to toss millions of votes in 2020 and who every election disenfranchises millions through gerrymandering, is suddenly concerned with vote disenfranchisement in the other party’s primary

Yeah, ok, we’ll take this concern trolling into consideration.

 

That is your opinion, which you are entitled to.

IMO, a more vastly accurate opinion would be: you lose all credibility (re 'democracy') when you support a candidate who enacted a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election.

Fake elector slates? Coercing state officials? Coercing your VP to not certify? Repeatedly lying? Inciting violence and an attack on our Capitol?

These things are INSANE affronts to our democracy. Apparently, you are OK with them. Sadly, that is an option.

But to hear someone who accepts THAT complain about democracy? Silly. No credibility.

 

There is an ocean of difference between asking Biden to step down -- which he has to do voluntarily, verse pretending Biden didn't win and trying to overthrow the rightful winner with "fake delegates"...

Also, who exactly is the "dictator" in this scenario?

 

You've got to respect the votes for someone who ran unopposed in a closed party primary? What was especially democratic about that process either?

Anyways why should anyone bother with people clearly concern trolling like the OP?

 

They've done nothing but talk about how unfit Biden is for the presidency. Now, with Dems potentially changing candidates, they are getting really upset about not getting to run against Joe.

 

Open and fair selection process???

Is Trump adored by his cult? Absolutely!

For this reason, he can bully all opposition into submission. They all end up kissing the ring.

As Liz Cheney well knows, true dissent is not tolerated.

 

The man got 85 million votes last time around, what makes you guys think he won't get 100 mil this time around?

 

Florida’s primaries are Aug 24. Haven’t happened yet, and it actually says “cancelled”, which I assume means Biden and Trump both “unopposed” in FL.

Might be too late to get an official primary, but any process they figure out is more democratic than “unopposed”. 65% want Biden out, so whomever the choice is I would expect a massive rally behind them (provided it isn’t some crazy divisive person). Which of course is why we see these talking point concerns from election deniers about the “democratic process”. LOL at anyone taking that at face value.

 

My preference, going back to last year, was that Joe step aside after one (very good) term. He's too old for another 4 years. But he didn't step aside and no realistic challengers chose to run against him. So I had no say in the Dem party nomination. No one did. Joe was the only realistic choice.

Also, political parties aren't democracies.