DeSantis vs Newsome

Wait, you don’t think those groups of Karen’s “deciding” books and wasting everyone’s time are…the government? Bless your heart.

You are essentially in favor of libraries dictated by political committee. Instead of libraries run by trained librarians. Doesn’t get more commie than that.

 

Btw, watching debate again. A couple of corrections to my prior posts.

1. Cali's prop tax actually lower than FL's (though still FL has no income tax at all, so GN's claim that FL's tax is worse on poor is completely unsupportable).

2. GN was the guy who rudely talked over Hannity and DeSantis, far worse than RonnyD.

3. GN making shit up all damn night and avoiding the questions, issues, and his own record...confirmed in spades.

RonnyD > Gavin Newsom by a fair margin.

...and I reiterate--that was against expectations. I seriously though Newsom was going to blow RD off the stage

Jmho/fwiw

 

Bless your own damn heart.

No, genius. Parents deciding books that ought to be excluded from schools their own kids attend, is literally NOT government.

Conversly, public employees dictating to the point of over riding parents' desires about what those parents' kids are exposed to, actually is.

 

I’m for both and I don’t know anyone who isn’t for 1 and not the other. Do you?

 

Haha! Imagine having to argue that "big government" is the "lowly" librarian making library decisions, not politicians deciding that they need to choose what books are in libraries.

Because he realized how much you love big government with an R next to the name of the politicians who propose it?

 

LOL. So requiring transparency and limiting the actions of government officials is “big government?”

uhmmmm…

 

Yes. It is the government. These review groups challenging books are all card carrying GOP. Otherwise known as a political committee. This behavior is literally no different from CCP censorship over something like Tiennenman square. These are political groups looking to push an ideology into libraries (or more aptly, apparently prevent kids from learning black history or that LGBTQ people exist, since that seems to be the focus of almost every ban). A librarian is an apolotical position whose job should not be excluding any particular viewpoint. Quite the opposite, actually.

The only way an individual parent can achieve total control over their child’s education is to homeschool. But even then, there are guidelines to follow. Generally accepted principles of what must be learned. Do we want Karen’s challenging every book on black history or other ugly moments in history that might “offend” them?

 

What is funny is that you earlier said, in defense of this, that the decision wasn't made by the state, but rather by locals (i.e., government) and the certified media specialist (i.e., a representative of the brand new government bureaucracy). So you cheered adding another layer of bureaucracy to make sure those librarians don't decide to offer books that politicians don't want them to offer.

Essentially, the argument from government is "We hired an employee, who was overseen by other employees and, ultimately, by politicians, but we couldn't trust that system, so we needed to add another bureaucrat to oversee them (in addition to all those other people overseeing them!"



Welcome to big government!

 

Wait, so the parents get to directly walk into schools and remove books? Or are they going to...the government and trying to get them to do it? Also, are they proposing that all parents get to vote on each book in the library or is it only the loudest/most annoying that get this right?

 

Trained? An online course from a community college. What am I missing? What kids go to their library for books? Everyone uses the internet. Seriously….ask your kids.

Florida Librarian Certification


Here is one of the on line courses for a certificate. You don’t even need to take the GRE

Morgridge College of Education Online

 

so hiring more cops, more District Attorneys more firemen…that is all big government to you? Are you redefining the word or are you just confused on its usage?

 

When a lowly librarian as an agent of the state is elevated above the parents vus a vis the parents own kids, then hell yes, that's bug gov. Gov only gets bigger past the librarian.

As for doc...whatever. that's why ignore.

 

“BIG GOVERNMENT “

 

The parallel here would be hiring a bunch of people to oversee firemen from the state because state politicians decide they know how to fight fires better than trained firemen. And, yes, that would largely be big government. I generally trust firemen to know how to put out fires without needing state supervision.

 

We fund these governmental entities. Thsts the mechanism for controlling them.

Next step...defund and dismantle the institutional education system (if necessary).

Hopefully with this little episode will remind Frankenstein's monster, who's his daddy.

 

no, the parallel would be hiring a Fire Chief to make sure the fireman do the job they were hired to do.

 

You are asking for the state to hire more agents of the state because you don't like the decisions made by other agents of the state. Nobody polled all the parents about their book preferences.

 

Nope, as that person already existed. Most counties already had somebody in charge of libraries at a county level (which would be the equivalent of a fire chief). You want somebody else to monitor the Fire Chief and the firemen at the state level.

 

librarians are not hired by the state. They are not employed by the state. They are local government.

 

I'm using his language ("agent of the state"). Take it up with 92.