DeSantis pandering again

Let's make this simple, do you support a rape exception for a mother who kills her child after birth?

 

If Congress was unable to delegate the power to fill in gaps in the law and act where swift action is required to the executive branch, our government would cease to function. The same is true at the state level with state legislatures.

 

Yes, I would favor some emergency exceptions, definitely not as many as you or that we have now.

Me listing the general roles of Congress and the Presidency was far from the point. We're going off on a tangent here that's not entirely relevant. Either way, Fauci is not the President and he never was.

 

I've been CRYSTAL clear. You trying to trip me up is a game you can play by yourself.

 

No, he's not. He's a member of an executive agency who can make recommendations that the President can choose to follow or ignore. (And I'll note that there's nothing in the Constitution that prevents Congress from delegating power to other branches.)

 

I'm not trying to trip you up. I'm asking you a simple question. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't make it an unfair question. Do you support a rape exception for a mother who kills her child after birth?

 

The GOP seems bound and determined to never learn that this stuff that plays on Newsmax will kill them in a general election.

 

Yes, and my point is that he did not just offer analysis on risk/rewards of the vaccine. He bullied policy recommendations that more often than not materialized in areas under Democratic control, and resulted in these attacks on anyone who disagreed with him on policy as being "anti-science." That was my point. When you have that much control over policy and resort to attacks like that on people who disagree with you, you have become more of a politician than an expert.

I'm not going to keep engaging with you on the nondelegation doctrine. There's enough going on here, that's a good conversation for another time.

 

I. Have. Answered. The. Question.

Use the already existing answer that is already on the record.

 

Show me where you directly answered the question with a "Yes" or a "No."

 

I have clearly stated when and what I support. You're playing gotcha games and I wont entertain you.

 

If the gotcha game is that you, like I, distinguish between a child who is born and a fetus/embryo/unborn child (whichever you want to call it), you're right.

 

When you say people, who? Sure at the time I didn’t have an issue with mandates even with emergency use approval, given the context of millions worldwide dying of Covid in a pandemic, but in the world of policy I’m not sure who you are mad at.

Not serious is a qualitative judgement. It was serious to the hundreds of kids that died, the thousands of kids that ended up in a hospital and the thousands with long Covid. We have required vaccines of kids for less.

Again, it isn’t just about the person who was vaccinated. It’s about protecting the people around them also.

So you are angry at unnamed people calling for children to get vaccinated, not any actual policy implementation?

which is what we ended up doing with the Covid vaccination.

. So are you angry at the vaccine makers for not exactly anticipating the future variants? Or are you angry at public health officials for not anticipating future variants?

The people dying were mostly unvaccinated until somewhat recently, and now almost everybody has either been vaccinated or has some natural immunity, and most of the people that die are elderly or immune compromised

So you don’t know either. But you are convinced that since Desantis put it out there there must be something to it.

 

People won’t usually answer questions when they know the answer is an unsatisfactory one.

It’s obvious that you don’t think an early fetus is similar to an actual post birth human being. But you “believe” it is special and should be protected, overriding the wishes and health impact of the mother, and that your belief should supersede the beliefs of those who think otherwise and enforced upon them.

Praise be.

 

That and an unwanted pregnancy is your punishment for promiscuity. Never mind that it could ruin your life.

 

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I remember the term follow the science, I don’t specifically remember it being in context to lockdowns. Perhaps it was, but you’d have to provide the specific context of the instance it was used.

Are you now arguing that lockdowns are always bad and inappropriate?

I see all this whining about people forced to get vaccines, wear a mask and lockdowns, but no discussions of a million lives lost, nor millions likely saved from vaccines, lockdowns, masks, etc.

 

OMG the punish the sinful by making them have a baby is an argument that drives me nuts.

 

BTW, it should be noted that this entire tangent into abortion happened because somebody that supports vaccines needed to justify supporting a candidate pushing a criminal investigation of vaccine makers with a bunch of anti-vaxxer nonsense as the basis. It was helpful to use emotionally driven hyperbole to do so, so as to feel better about his support for that candidate. And he has successfully managed to avoid discussing the topic of the thread by doing so, thus protecting himself from cognitive dissonance.

 

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Vaccine-Grand-Jury-Petition.pdf

What an embarrassment that document is.

Basically saying that vaccines were overhyped because they didn’t prevent the risk of spread of the disease, that they are harmful to children, and they have likely lead to much higher heart complications than reported. Saying that vaccine makers knew or should have known but didn’t say anything because of profit motives, and all that is essentially a fraud.