Democrats Get Ready to Screw a Bunch of People

Oh, this sounds like fun! Ranchers could even raise money by selling hunting opportunities. Win-Win.

 

The wall in areas where complete for miles upon miles was breached 11 times a day on average. It's useless, unless you like to spend government money.

I also refuse to militarize our border, and kill anyone, including women and children, for a misdemeanor offense at worst. And for not breaking any law at all of they come, surrender, and claim asylum. That's a load of crap, and no way to treat fellow human beings. How could we claim to be the greatest country on Earth if we treat desperate migrants seeking a better life like vermin, and shoot them on sight?

Not to mention, it's impossible to tell a undocumented immigrant from a citizen on sight. I like to hike in the Chiricauhau Mountains near the border. I don't want to be shot at just because I'm hiking near the border. How many citizens you willing to kill?

And you still aren't addressing our labor needs. That should be priority one. Not securing a border that has never been secure in our country's history, and will likely never be secure.

 

I'm sure we would have built that Wall by now if only that check from Mexico would clear.

 

I’m sorry, did a poster just recommend shooting women and children on site and not caring cause it’s… “not his problem?”

First that’s horrific and second it shows a complete lack of understanding of how this is all connected. Not our problem? Which country drives demand for drugs that leads to violent gangs taking over entire cities in Central America? This is a total system problem not just a brown people problem and the answer is most certainly not shooting scared desperate families and women and children. Jesus h Christ

 

imo, that is a symptom. The problem is they have no economies, elect corrupt, incompetent idiots, etc. Our country's a shithole cuz Americans like coke, c'mon.

 

It’s not either or. It’s a total system problem. We have to stop blaming “them” and “other”. The us is just as much a part of the problem. Walking ourselves away doesn’t fix anything except attempting to hide or escape.

 

I would rather spend money on border security and a wall than the billions we are wasting in Ukraine. We could have easily built the wall and had it funded for 50 years for the money we have given Ukraine with utterly no return on investment.

Funny how you all always talk about women and children. Again who is forcing these women and children to make the trip? And newsflash, the majority of the immigrants are working or even military age males. It's not all women and children like you want people to believe. In fact a lot of the men are single with no women or children at all. As far as I'm concerned illegally crossing the border isn't just a felony but one of the worst offenses a person can commit.

I would argue it is a crime if they are claiming asylum under false pretenses. What political persecution are they escaping in their country? Has their government specified them as an enemy of the state? Because that is what asylum is for. "My country is a third world sh*thole" is not a valid reason for asylum. Did they apply for asylum in the first country with a stable government? Why skip countries with stable governments to make it to the U.S. I would like answers to all of these questions.

And please spare me the "Greatest Country on Earth" BS. What has that gotten the U.S.? The right to have to be the world's policeman? The right to have to be involved in every single war and conflict even if it doesn't involve U.S. interests in any way? The right to have to rebuild Europe after World War II while our own infrastructure continues to crumble? The right to have to pay the majority of UN and NATO, far more than our supposed "allies" contribute?

If all of that is what the U.S. gets for being the "Greatest Country on Earth" than it's not worth it. I could care less if the U.S. is the "Greatest Country on Earth". In fact I no longer want the U.S. to be the "Greatest Country on Earth". I want the U.S. to be the Greatest Country on Earth for its own citizens. I'm tired of us U.S. citizens being put last. And the whole notion is BS anyway. Someone who grows up in Germany is going to say Germany is the Greatest Country on Earth to them. Someone who grows up in Australia is going to say Australia is the Greatest Country on Earth to them.

Let someone else play world's policeman and world's ATM for awhile. Let them be the "Greatest Country on Earth". To me that's a title that means utterly nothing. Lets focus on our own citizens for a change.

I hate to make this racial but I'm going to. Let's be honest, Democrats like you want open borders for one reason. The goal is to eventually create a U.S. that is majority non-white. Your thought process is that when the U.S. is majority non-white the Democrats will have a majority that they can not lose with. Democrats will then have the Communist Nightmare, oops I mean Utopia, they have always dreamed about.

And yeah I'm pissed. I'm pissed that many times I feel like a foreigner in my own country. I was at Walmart tonight and had an issue with an item I was purchasing. The price after scanning the item was wrong. Of course the associate only spoke Spanish and couldn't understand anything I was saying. I eventually just told her to cancel the item. Cancel was the only word she understood. I shouldn't have problems communicating with people in my own country. It genuinely made me want to scream "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY ALREADY!" You shouldn't have to feel like a foreigner in your own country when speaking English. That Walmart job should be a starter job that a high school or college student that speaks English should have. You know, so there's a person there that I can actually communicate with if there's an issue.

And let's be even more honest, if the immigrants coming here were white and from Europe you would be adamantly against it. And if the immigrants coming here were solidly Conservative you would be the one wanting to close the borders. You don't care about the immigrants, they are nothing but political pawns in the long game for the Democrats.

 

It's a dramatic solution I agree but Democrats have made it to where a dramatic solution is necessary. Again you only mention women and children, ignoring that the vast majority of immigrants coming here are working and even military age males.

And yes I would say shoot on site. You do realize it wouldn't last long right? If everyone who comes into the country illegally is shot do you not think that will make its way around quickly? Many immigrants won't want to take the risk and will turn back. And when the news gets back to Central and South America the vast majority of immigrants won't even try to make the trip. It's the same theory as having a powerful military. Having the powerful military alone can prevent most conflicts as other countries don't want to test you. These immigrants will get the memo that the U.S. is closed and they won't want to test it. Yes some immigrants will pass away and yes that will include some women and children. But it's the only way to send a clear message that the border is closed to them.

And for heaven's sake please spare me the "U.S. is the root of all problems" stuff. Typical Democrat, the U.S. is the causes of every problem in the world. The U.S. is completely evil. If only the U.S. ceased to exist Earth would be a perfect utopia. Did I get all that right?

Central and South America are responsible for their own problems. The U.S. isn't. The U.S. isn't forcing Central and South American countries to elect horrible governments. The U.S. isn't forcing Central and South American countries to create drugs that lead to cartels If the U.S. ceased to exist tomorrow those countries would still be creating plenty of drugs to sell and the cartels would still be in business selling to the rest of the world.

 

No, it isn't. The U.S. isn't to blame for every issue in the world, no matter how badly you want every issue to be the U.S.'s fault. For most issues countries need only to look in the mirror. The problems they face are largely problems they created. The U.S. isn't responsible if some Central or South American country is a sh*thole.

 

care to explain?

 

Had trouble continuing to read your diatribe after "one of the worst offenses a person can commit." Just a whacked out sense of reality if you truly believe that.

 

What was louisiana poster's prior screen name? With such out of touch ideas, it's hard to imagine they haven't been banned before, probably more than once.

 

I didn't say it was the worst offense you can commit. But yes I take someone violating the sovereignty of my country very seriously. I absolutely do not consider it a minor offense. And for illegal immigrants as well as immigrants who abuse the asylum system just to get into the country (my country being a sh*thole 3rd world country is not a valid claim for asylum) the criminal rate is 100% as they are all criminals.

Let me ask you this. How do you think other countries would respond if you just casually violated their sovereignty? How would I be treated if I just went over to Japan or Italy and decided I just wasn't going to leave.

 

I suppose I'm sympathetic since I'm only here because my great grandparents did the same thing. I won't claim to know the answer to the problem though. It's somewhere between let everybody in and turn everyone away but I don't know where the line is. I don't at all blame the people who are just hoping for a better life in the greatest country in the world.

 

But again the U.S. can't support every person from every 3rd world country that wants to come here. Then the U.S. will collapse (maybe not immediately but over time) and then we become the very same 3rd world country that those immigrants were trying to escape. So then at the end of the day what did they even accomplish? They just moved from one 3rd world sh*thole to another 3rd world sh*thole.

Personally I think they should try to help reform their own countries instead of just bailing. If they won't try to help their own countries, what will they do if the U.S. ever goes through a challenging period? Will they stay to try to help the U.S. or will they just move on to the next country? If the U.S. went to war with their home country where do their loyalties stand? If they become citizens they are supposed to renounce any allegiance to their home country but do they really do that in their heart?

Again the U.S. can't support the world. The U.S. can't support every single 3rd world person that wants to come here. Our infrastructure, whether we are talking about school, hospitals, highways, airports, etc, are all already over capacity and overwhelmed. We simply can't do it and we will collapse if we try.

I've given the policies I would like to see. Of course they get laughed at here but they are good policies. Reform the immigration process to streamline it and make it simpler. Require the immigration process to start at a U.S. Embassy in their home country (or closet country if there is no U.S. Embassy in their home country). At the border only asylum claims are allowed. Require the immigrants to stay in Mexico or stay at U.S. border facilities until their asylum claim. Hire additional judges so that an immigrant claiming asylum would only wait 6 months or a year max before their hearing. But again Democrats don't even want to consider anything other than open unfettered immigration.

 

Are you Native American? If not, your ancestors once left their shithole country for the US. Be thankful they weren't met with people like you, who would've shit them on site!

A wall isn't a deterrent. What part of breached 11 times a day do you not understand? Want more facts to combat your ignorance you are also likely to ignore. More undocumented enter legally and overstay a visa. A wall won't stop them either.

I also don't care where the immigrants come from. I like the fact that in my city, I can enjoy a burger and fries, tacos, curry, and just about anything else on Earth. I also know that the land I live on was one part of a Tohono O'odham Nation, under Spanish rule, and under Mexican rule before it became a part of the US. We're not giving it back, but I can honor the past and appreciate the multi-culteralism. I'm also not a racist asshole.

And I agree, we can't take every needy person in the world. But then immigrants from Africa or Asia can't walk to the US. They can reach Europe. And unfortunately, there are racist assholes there too you sound just like you. But then, I'm not sure if European countries have our labor shortage issues and demand for immigrants like we do.

And to me, it's about our labor demand. We currently have about 9.5 million open positions and under 6 million unemployed. Imagine if you had a magic wand and deported all undocumented tomorrow, creating 8 million more open positions. It would be economic collapse. We would stop sending monies to Ukraine, because we would cut our GDP by a huge amount, while causing double digit inflation. It would be disastrous.

Fix this with an expanded guest worker program and people stop entering undocumented en mass. You'll still be a racist, but at least we would be filing our immigration labor needs legally. Doesn't solve all border problems, but everything else we've tried, or will try under racist Trump will fail. Or already has failed.

 

How much is world peace worth? How much is it worth to avoid a future arms race? (Hint: the answer is about $2.5 trillion. That's how much we saved in the 1990's after Russia's economy went belly-up.)

How much do you think a 2,000-mile wall costs, anyway? Especially one that is tall enough that Mexicans can't build a wall over it (they do roofing, so they aren't scared of heights--you know that, don't you?) and deep enough that they can't tunnel underneath it (they also know how to build tunnels). I guarantee you that any height wall you want to build, Mexicans can build a taller ladder, and any depth foundation you want to build, Mexicans can build a deeper tunnel. And they only have to do it in one place to get people across. You have to build the wall as high as possible and as deep as possible for 2,000 MILES. Wake up and smell the coffee, man.

Yeah, right, it's up there with murder and mayhem.

If you wait until the war comes here, then we've already lost it. If China and Russia take over the rest of the world (as well as the people and natural resources of those countries), then we cannot take on either one of them. That's just the way it is. They might fight each other after we're defeated, but we are the common enemy. Sometimes security requires sacrifices.

You don't think we get any benefit from free trade? Are you that dumb?

Maybe if you supported a higher minimum wage, Walmart could hire an English-speaking associate for you.

I am a conservative. I wouldn't mind in the least. Building the Great Wall of Mexico is idiotic at best.

I would agree that immigration needs some changes, but none of what you are suggesting makes any sense. We need to make it easier for legal immigrants to get here, not harder for illegal immigrants to get here. The border patrol is capturing way, way too many people to make sure that they don't return again the same night. In fact, they often catch the same people 4-5 times in the same night. Eventually they get through. Bus the legal immigrants in from Mexico City, and make the process as easy as possible for people with no criminal record, while inspecting their luggage, checking fingerprints, metal detector, etc. Take them to the southern city of their choice so they can look for a job or take a bus to another city to settle in. You will not need a wall, and the few people you catch at the border will likely be troublemakers that can be rounded up and either arrested or sent by boat to southern Mexico.

 

There is only one person I can see that needs to be shot on site. And what is it about crazy ass republicans and being completely unwilling to accept that the US is part of the problem? The problem is systemic. It is BOTH weak governments with corrupt leadership in the third world AND drug demand and policy issues in the first world. The US is obviously not solely responsible but neither are the people of central or South America. Jeez the hyperbole and straw man’s with the idiots on the right is insane sometimes. But not as insane as suggesting we shoot en masse unarmed migrant families. Seriously, can you not see how insane that sounds?

 

Are you personally willing to shoot men women and children at the border?