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Debate: Billy Carson vs. Christian Wes Huff on Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Jan 18, 2025 at 3:03 PM.

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  1. Jan 22, 2025 at 12:50 PM #121
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    Pretty sure the Bible says the flood covered the highest mountain in the world by 22 feet... Also ... Water doesn't work that way...
     
  2. Jan 22, 2025 at 12:58 PM #122
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    The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel is excellent as well.


    One of my favorite books is More Than A Carpenter by Josh McDowell.
     
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  3. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:00 PM #123
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    Also, ancient Polynesians rowed the Pacific and then trekked inland thousand of miles to meet with King Solomon. 1 Kings 10:24
     
  4. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:04 PM #124
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    We can agree to disagree on a worldwide flood. However, when we are speaking of a deity, I think it is important to establish what it is we are talking about. Further up the thread the pejorative "sky daddy" was used to describe God, but what we are really talking about is a non-physical being, a spirit, that is not part of this world. God is spirit.

    You might argue belief in something outside of the physical world is absurd. However, I am willing to bet you believe in other non-physical entities that govern the physical world you experience such as the laws of the logic or moral absolutes. These are not material things, and yet most reasonable non-insane people believe in these things. What are your beliefs in these non-physical entities grounded in?
     
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  5. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:08 PM #125
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    My favorite: “humanoid god”
     
  6. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:16 PM #126
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    And didn't the water stay that way for a year? I have whoever you are talking to on ignore (I only have 2 people on ignore) so I can only see half of the convo.

    Having that story in a book that is supposed to be all true is laughable. Then it devolves into "Well, that is obviously just a fable or metaphor, but the other stuff is 100% true, except for this and that." It all just falls apart.
     
  7. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:17 PM #127
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    I prefer to simplify things. Thus, IMO, God IS Good. All the good things in life, that's God. As simple as that feeling you get when you hold the door for someone and they appreciate it. The Light Side of the Force, etc.

    I think it's really that simple. When push comes to shove, we know what's right. Do the right thing.

    P.S. I tend to look at religions as kind of a cheat code for something larger that we don't fully understand. Thus, I don't really buy into the "religion is bad" line of thinking. That said, I find myself diametrically opposed to Fundamentalist (see: primitive) religious thinking.
     
  8. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:19 PM #128
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    Sounds like something you just made up.
     
  9. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:22 PM #129
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    That's one of the things I find interesting (and instructive) about Hinduism. You can view it literal or metaphoric and there is no real conflict. You think that person is a direct reincarnation of Shiva, I think he's just a metaphor for change (destruction/creation). Doesn't matter. We're good.
     
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  10. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:22 PM #130
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    Reads like some stupid shit you would write.
     
  11. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:25 PM #131
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    Well, if God is just what’s right - and if we all know the right thing to do - do we go through and app so you can tell us who to vote for ?
     
  12. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:27 PM #132
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    IDK. Figure it out on your own. Contra seems like a nice guy, maybe he'll help you out.
     
  13. Jan 22, 2025 at 1:41 PM #133
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    Humanoids have tried that — Proverbs 14:12
     
  14. Jan 22, 2025 at 2:07 PM #134
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    Lol! Loser used AI on you????

    Bro....post the link where you called him out. That should be fun reading.
     
  15. Jan 22, 2025 at 2:28 PM #135
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    Complete bullshit.

    Laziest, easiest thing in the world to believe in, is nothing, that we came about by incredibly convenient happenstance, that all that is is what we can see and touch, and that we only have the great nothing to answer to.

    So damn easy, every form of life south of humanity holds steadfast to your high brow pseudo intellectualism (ie your religion).
     
  16. Jan 22, 2025 at 3:22 PM #136
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    Disagree. Religion started because people didn't know things and couldn't explain things, so they made shit up. For people today, still believing the universe was whipped up in 6 days by an invisible sky wizard is way easier than actually understanding what really happened.
     
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  17. Jan 22, 2025 at 4:04 PM #137
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    That is an interesting answer because the words are almost what I believe. We are very close in our understanding. We would probably diverge once we peeled back the words and started understanding how we define those words, though. I believe God is good. That is absolutely 100% descriptive of what I believe, but where you and I would diverge is on this point: the ability of humanity to ascertain knowledge of what is good without knowledge of God. Jesus said:

    Now when John heard in prison about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his disciples 3and said to him, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” 4And Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John what you hear and see: 5the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them. 6And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.” -Matthew 11:5-6​

    Now we might take those words as literal, and I believe they do refer to literal things. However, I believe Jesus is employing a double entendre in this statement. Jesus is foreshadowing the greatest miracle of all that He would accomplish here on earth. Jesus describes the spiritual condition of humanity by way of metaphor: blindness, paralysis, leprosy, deafness, deadness, and poverty. That is a good description of the spiritual condition of mankind apart from God. So, you might believe you know what goodness is, but what if you are sick, blind, lame, deaf, poor, paralyzed, and in desperate need of Jesus to overcome that? Then what?

    Now, is the metaphorical foreshadowing involved in that statement offensive when you understand it? Many people would be very offended to be described that way. Jesus knew what he was saying would be taken as offensive. And I believe that is why he concluded the statement with the remark "blessed is the one who is not offended by me." Why? Because Jesus is saying He brings healing to those who are spiritually blind, spiritually lame, spiritually lepers, spiritually dead, and spiritually poor. If you have the humility to acknowledge what He is saying and act on it, then there is unimaginable blessing to be received from Jesus.
     
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  18. Jan 22, 2025 at 4:08 PM #138
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    I'm aware you disagree, and whatever you want to make of any other actual religion, it doesn't change the fact that your religion is shared by cockroaches, worms, fish, and all the other intellectual equals of your faith.
     
  19. Jan 22, 2025 at 4:18 PM #139
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    Friend from out of town said it rained cats and dogs where he was. If he doesn’t produce canines and felines falling from the sky his credibility falls apart.
     
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  20. Jan 22, 2025 at 4:36 PM #140
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    Add a liberal application of straw.
     
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