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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by buckeyegator, Dec 5, 2022.

  1. QGator2414

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    Absolutely. We are one of the oldest states out there. Our per capita was going to be high no matter what.

    You just witnessed a landslide like no other in Florida this November based on the leadership of our Governor.
     
  2. HeyItsMe

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    Desantis winning in a landslide speaks to Florida being one of the lowest educated states in the U.S. And, not surprisingly, Desantis is trying to interfere with what can be taught in our schools to keep it that way.
     
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  3. philnotfil

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    Maine is the only state with a higher percentage of 65+ old people than us, there were only five states that did better than them in per capita covid deaths. Maybe Maine should be held up as the gold standard since they did so much better than us despite being older?
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    Fact Checked: Whackdoodle
     
  5. mrhansduck

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    He did change course based upon the developing data and costs/benefits. I think that's fair. But I also wonder about the extent to which his changing course was also largely based upon the fact that public opinion had shifted on some of the more extreme measures like what he did through DBPR. Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing for a politician to consider the will of the voters, but of course there are times when leading the people is in tension with representing the people. Either way, they seemed to largely be aligned here - at least in Florida.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Arguably, DeSantis was one of only a handful of governors who asserted bold leadership, bringing in alternative voices, breaking from the mass-hysteria, resisting the scaremongering like “You’re going to turn your state into a mass-graveyard!!!” and such.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    Florida seeing people move here in numbers never seen and education numbers crushing it based on the pandemic response and you provide this. LOL!

    You are too funny!!!
     
  8. QGator2414

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    Maine is a small northeastern state with no population density close to Florida.

    But carry on with your attempt to think we navigated this the wrong way. I know it is hard to accept but Florida is doing Fantastic!
     
  9. partdopy

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    No, the real culprit is the massive number of US citizens incapable of both critical thinking and independent thought. Anyone who was capable of these things could see very quickly that old and vulnerable people should be protected while the rest of us just live our lives.

    Shutdowns were a very smart precaution for a couple weeks until it was obvious that this is just another run of the mill virus. And before the posts complaining that 'run of the mill viruses don't kill millions of people', they very much do if they are new and those people are almost exclusively so old they are outside the nations life expectancy or have multiple serious health problems. It's a new virus, not a dangerous one.

    If people would have simply ignored the lockdowns then nothing would have happened and they would have been rolled back quickly.
     
  10. HeyItsMe

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    The only funny thing is your complete loss of grasp on reality, lol. There really isn’t much more to say, you’re completely delusional.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    Keeping schools closed was absolutely the right call at the time. During a global pandemic caused by a novel virus, there is no winning. There is only mitigating the damage and deaths. We saw what happened in Italy when they first tried to treat COVID as just another flu. Huge death rates leading to an almost complete shut down. We also saw how fast COVID can spread, and how it quickly became the third leading cause of death in the US. The right call in winter/spring 2020 was do everything possible to prevent the spread of the disease. And again, multiple scientific studies show closing schools was effective in slowing the spread.

    And yes, it was detrimental to kids, especially disadvantaged ones who don't have the support, or sometimes equipment to do distance learning. But you know what else is detrimental to learning in a school environment? When teachers, support staff, and parents get sick with a deadly virus. And early in the pandemic, the virus hit disadvantaged areas harder because the unfortunate reality is these people aren't generally as healthy, have more underlying conditions, and don't have the same standard of care as others.

    There is no way of knowing what might have happened if we had kept schools opened. But an outbreak in a school where multiple teachers and staff ended up in the hospital with at least one dying would have been awful. I'd argue just as bad, if not worse than keeping the kids home. Death is irreversible, and death of a trusted adult can be very, very hard on kids.

    In the end, we were left with a no-win scenario decision. Keeping the virus at bay as much as possible, and keeping as many people from catching it was the best, and right decision at the time. Not doing invited the prospect of even more sick, more hospitalizations, more deaths, and panic in the streets, or rather completely empty streets, like we saw in Italy.
     
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  12. philnotfil

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    Sure, what state would you accept as a valid comparison?
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    I cannot disagree that it came down to the herd and it’s collective madness. I tried my best. But fear is a powerful emotion, let alone stark terror.
     
  14. QGator2414

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    Agreed.

    DeSantis led the way anyone would hope. He brought in experts from all realms to make decisions not based on hysteria but reality.

    He realized closing schools for the entire spring 2020 after March 20 was wrong. So he made sure that would never happen again. He rolled out the vaccine accordingly based on knowing who was at risk. He understood this disease was bad but we had to move on based on the data.

    There is a reason so many are moving here and that we just saw a landslide win for Governor like no other.
     
  15. Trickster

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    As evidenced by the extreme language he uses, as if trying to convince not us, but himself:

    - [Fauci] really is one of the worst humans to ever walk this planet
    - the biggest public health disaster of our lifetime
    - a landslide like no other
    - people move here in numbers never seen
    - a landslide win for Governor like no other.

    And that's just in this thread! One can't take him and his funny emojis seriously, or at most with a grain of salt.
     
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    No, he doesn't, but once again he's getting undue attention in this thread.
     
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  17. philnotfil

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    The desparate need for attention is kind of weird, resorting to starting self-centered threads when there isn't enough attention going his way on the rest of the board.
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    It is clear based on the data and all the circumstances that Florida handled this the correct way. From making decisions based on risk factors. To protecting the youngest in our state. While it was not perfect as no state was. It was the Gold Standard. And is why we are crushing it here in Florida. And why the Governor just had a historical win.
     
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  19. philnotfil

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    What metrics support your claims?
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    The simple reason that FL dealt with Covid better than just about any other state: it moved on.