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DC Mayor Claims Migrants Are Being 'Tricked' Into Being Bused to the Nation's Capital

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  1. partdopy

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    Don't forget to charge their home country for their food and housing. I hear there's lots of cheap resources down there.

    Seems like a great idea to me though, since the federal politicians care so much about them this gives an opportunity to show that compassion. Also, since there is so much government infrastructure up there it should be easy to process them. Just put everything on hold for their regular constituents and serve the illegal immigrants. Again, display that compassion rather than expecting those who don't agree to allow unlimited illegal immigrants in to do so.

    If DC doesn't enjoy serving those they invited them they are free to rescind the invite.
     
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  2. partdopy

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    I've heard that one of the best ways to raise wages is to let employers bus in illegal immigrants to work for pennies on the dollar while living 8 to a bedroom. This seems like a solid idea to really support those citizens who need it most in these times of record inflation.

    A much better way would be to do virtual asylum hearings at the Mexican border and send them back to Guatemala. If we don't have enough staff then quickly certify more, no reason we need real judges to listen to bogus asylum claims from non citizens. Or even better let mexico handle the hearings, feeding and housing.
     
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  3. channingcrowderhungry

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    Lower wages is actually a deterrent to fight inflation. fyi
     
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  4. BLING

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    You mean letting free markets work in a more market efficient way? A Republican would never sign up for that.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Less than 6 million Americans in unemployment. Over 12 million current job openings. Where else are we going to find the labor we need?

    As for inflation, think back to high school economics. What happens when demand is up and supply is low? Prices go up. Now, what is happening to prices because we currently have high demand for labor but low supply? As stated, increased immigration to increase labor supply would ease inflation.
     
  6. Gatoragman

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    Well, his "cuteness" may have just accomplished what need to be accomplished. DC actually being affected by the somewhat open borders we have. Maybe they might try to fix the problem.
     
  7. Gatoragman

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    So, you are for workers making less wages?
     
  8. AzCatFan

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    I'm for the free market system that gets to set wages, as long as there is a minimum wage and workers aren't being exploited. If you are worried about inflation, as we all are, then lower wages can often translate into lower prices. And again, right now, we have a significant labor shortage. Which means employers have to offer higher wages, which drives prices up.

    This article explains that because of Trump era policies, we are currently down about 3 million workers, including 2 million legal immigrants because Trump cut that number significantly. From the article:

    This labor shortage has been affecting American consumers as well, causing supply-chain issues and greater price inflation, which recently hit a 30-year high in the US.

    "When you don't have the truck drivers and we don't have the people that are working in construction, then economics says prices are going to go up," Julie Palmer, a human-resource professor at Webster University, told KSDK News on Monday.
    If there are citizens available for these jobs, that would be one thing. But there aren't. So why not pay immigrants to do them? And if this keeps wages low, which in turn keep prices low, what's the issue? As long as the immigrants are being paid at least minimum and aren't being exploited, they are still far better off than living in abject poverty in their home country. Which is why they left in the first place.
     
  9. ThePlayer

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    Apparently it's all a big joke too.
    Until it affects your family, friends or neighborhood.

    The man charged with the rape of a 10-year-old girl in Ohio is a Guatemalan illegal immigrant, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) source told Fox News Digital on Wednesday.

    The Columbus Dispatch first reported that Gerson Fuentes was arrested after police said he confessed to raping a child on multiple occasions. He has been charged with rape, and the outlet reported that he was possibly in the country illegally.

    Sources indicate that Fuentes is a Guatemalan national in the country illegally and that ICE has placed a detainer on Fuentes, which is a request he eventually be handed over to the agency for removal proceedings.

    ICE later confirmed to Fox News Digital that Fuentes is in the U.S. unlawfully.

    "On July 13, officers with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Enforcement and Removal Operations lodged an immigration detainer on Gerson Fuentes following his arrest by the Columbus, Ohio Police Department for felony rape charges. Fuentes is currently in the custody of local officials at the Franklin County Jail," an ICE spokesperson said on Thursday. "Fuentes has no previous immigration history."
     
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  10. partdopy

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    Completely agree. Illegal immigrants being bused around to work at slave wages because the government isn't enforcing laws isn't the free market though. It's exploiting illegal immigrants with government blessing which I don't support.

    In a free market labor here wouldn't be subsidized by our lack of border security and things would likely cost more as well. I'm fine with that.
     
  11. partdopy

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    What do illegal immigrants have to do with the free market? They shouldn't be here at all.

    If I come steal stuff from your house and sell it at market price would you applaud my use of the free market or want me arrested and stopped?

    Maybe a better analogy would be me renting your bedroom to criminals at below market rates (despite having no ownership claim) ensuring I have 100% occupancy. Is this excellent use of the free market or would you again want me stopped?
     
  12. Gatoragman

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    So, you are for free market as long as you get to set minimums, so therefore not a free market. Low wage earners to bring down inflation, yet $15.00 min wage? The only reason anyone is saying these illegals can fill these jobs is because you feel you can blame less immigrant workers available on Trump. I understand it, just didn't expect all that in one post. Why is anyone receiving any unemployment checks now? Still paying an additional $300 from the feds in unemployment.
     
  13. mdgator05

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    In a free market, we wouldn't spend billions telling people who they can and can't hire by restricting entry. We were a more free market prior to 1924, when the first broad immigration law was passed. Everything that has followed has been the central planning of government quotas. That is what you are advocating.
     
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    The reason we have less immigrant workers is not Trump. It is Covid. And our stupid laws. Which Trump supported, but pre-date him.
     
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    That is a fundamentally anti-free market stance. They are only "illegal" because you chose to engage in anti-free market activity.

    Arriving in a country to provide labor is not analogous to theft, in which you deprive another of their property. A person showing up in a country and attempting to get a job is in no way similar to that.

    You can't rent my bedroom because it is my property. What you are doing here is telling me that I am not allowed to rent my bedroom to whomever I choose and that you get to choose who gets to rent from me.
     
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    Sounds like she's pissed the homeless shelters are filling up, maybe dc is at its limit of lawn care, roofing and fruit picker jobs.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    First, let's look at the reality of our situation. We've had immigrant labor here for decades. They are an important cog in our economic system. 8 million current undocumented workers at a time when we have less than 6 million on unemployment, and around 12 million job openings. What would happen to the economy if we could magically deport all undocumented immigrants and suddenly had an additional 8 million job openings?

    Second, people collect unemployment because many of the jobs undocumented immigrants do are lower wage jobs that those on unemployment don't want for a variety of reasons. The low wages being one reason, and geography being another. Or do you really expect a laid off Silicon Valley worker in the South Bay making 6 figures to suddenly decide to pick grapes in Napa Valley for $15/hour? That's not going to happen, especially since the average time a person is on unemployment is about 3 months in this country. The figure of just under 6 million on unemployment has been constant for months, but it's not a static list. New people are added every week, and those on the list get off by being gainfully employed every week.

    Third, undocumented immigrants coming here and working aren't stealing anything. In fact, their only crime may be the misdemeanor of unlawful entry. They certainly aren't stealing jobs from citizens, as again, there are twice as many job openings as there are unemployed at the moment. And again, the immigrants have been working here for generations. This is nothing new. Cesar Chavez lamented the influx of migrant workers way back in the 1970s because he thought they would take jobs away from Hispanic citizens and their kids growing up in the US. That was 40+ years ago.

    Which brings me to the fourth point. Chavez was wrong. New undocumented immigrants don't take jobs away from anyone, especially the children of immigrants raised and educated here. These kids grow up and become, for the most part, part of the middle class, and like other citizens, get jobs that pay more than the average undocumented immigrant job. This is why there has been a constant flow of immigrants through the decades, with the only time the net migration numbers were dropping being around the last major recession in 2010. Less jobs available for immigrants, less immigrants.

    Our immigration system should be about the supply and demand of needed labor. If we need the labor, let it come legally and stay by paying a guest worker visa. This is basically the Canadian system, which tells employers if they can prove they can't fill jobs with citizens first, they can go out and hire the immigrant labor they need. Much better system than ours.
     
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    If you were a 6 figure Silicon Valley person that lost their job and on average for only 3 months, why in the hell are we helping that person with unemployment? Maybe they change the lifestyle and save a few bucks for hard times? Maybe they do what I did when I left my job. Worked as bar back and made enough to get by till I found my next job. Didn't have a phone, rode a bicycle, did whatever I had to. We have just made it to easy to not work.
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    CA top unemployment payment is $450 a week. Unemployment insurance is designed as a stop gap to help people temporarily while they try and get back on their feet. And someone making 6 figures, the $450 a week does not make it easy to not have a job.

    Sure, this person could make more working as a bar back, but as the bar owner, would you want to hire him? He's out the door the first "real" job offer that comes his way, and employee turnover is expensive when you own a business.

    And if we have made it too easy not to work, then please explain why we have twice as many job openings than people on unemployment? If it was too easy not to work, wouldn't more people be not working?