Daniel Penny’s defense fund over $1M after manslaughter charge in Jordan Neely subway death

Because Neely didn't deserve to die for disturbing the peace. I don't know why some are lauding Penny and handing out virtual medals for killing an unarmed man for making noise. Whether he meant to is irrelevant, except at trial. Dead is still dead.

 

And folks like Neely cause more deaths than Daniel Pennys. Neely is one person I don't feel the least bit sorry for. Any young man who breaks a 67 year old woman's nose did deserve to die just maybe not for this particular incident.

 

"Folks like Neely..?" You mean the mentally ill? Black men? Public nuisances?

 

What does Black have to do with it? It is humorous how I'm the one constantly accused of being the resident racist yet you people that do the accusing are the ones that always mention white or black.

 

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

 

I've never, ever called you, or anyone else on the Board, a racist. I just wondered what you meant by "folks like Neely."

 

Folks like Neely? I’ll play and simply go with violent criminals.

Neely obviously had a thing for physically assaulting women in the subway being he was charged three times for doing so over the last 10 years (his other assault charge was for abusing a seven year old girl by dragging her along a New York City street). Who knows what would have happened that day had Neely not been restrained but the guy was clearly a menace to society and can’t hurt anyone again.

 

Violent criminals and attempted kidnappers of underage children?

 

Jmdz
With your “Come on man” Are claiming Neely wasn’t a violent criminal? That he didn’t attempt to kidnap an underage girl?
Clearly people with a rap sheet as long and as violent as Neely’s is what was being referred to or so you also think that it was a racist comment as Dyno suggested in her response to it?

 

There was a lot of attention on George Floyd's criminal history, too, for example. Some was verified but apparently some of the claims were not verified. Ultimately, I'm not sure how Neely's criminal record is going to matter in Penny's criminal case.

 

It won’t matter in the case. But he has a proven past of violence towards weaker defenseless individuals. He has a record of trying to kidnap. Several passengers have stated that he was making threats on the train.. which tracks with his long history of violence.
Will matter in court? No. Is he someone I feel really sorry for … no.

 

And Penny had knowledge of Neely's rap sheet? Who would have thought? Unless I missed (a link would be appreciated) Neely didn't attempt to attack Penny prior to their altercation.

 

I never said he did. I also said his rap sheet will NOT play a role in this case. His rap sheet only plays a role in the amount of sympathy I feel for him. He wasn’t an innocent. He wasn’t a good guy. He was making threats on a train. He attacked elderly women. He attacked children. I don’t have much sympathy considering it was he that introduced the threat of violence and it was used against him.

Do

 

I saw articles saying that Neely pled to a child endangerment charge (maybe it was pled down?) after dragging a girl down the street. I was looking for the arrest report or information because I was curious about that case in particular and why he reportedly only served like four months for that.

I never expected that Penny would be charged with murder, but I'm not prepared to call Penny a hero either. Even when cops are charged with using excessive force, there's often an effort to downplay the wrongdoing/mistake by focusing on the criminal record of the deceased. I understand why people might care less about a bad guy getting killed, but we're also talking about norms for what people are allowed and expected to do in different situations.

 

Neither his past criminal history or his reported actions that day warranted him being killed. Righties love to pour through the victim's prior criminal history to convince themselves the person was evil and somehow really didn't deserve to live. Sometimes they'll try to use their own most ridiculous interpretations of some imaginary law they made up to try to justify the homicide. Some argue both. Rinse, repeat. You can post the actual applicable laws right out of NY's code and you get a "disagree." These people either refuse to read or refuse to understand. Rinse, repeat. It just gets old.

Neely clearly was no saint and he deserved to be punished for any crimes he committed, especially the assaults. Homeless people are going to pick up a lot of transient type charges that "regular" people don't. Besides, nobody wants homeless people around. They're dirty, they smell and they want stuff....like money for food. I know that first hand, there are a few that hang out in the general area of my office condo complex. I save my aluminum cans for them, give them old coats and blankets when we get a freeze and give them food on occasion. Never thought to ask about about their criminal histories or get their names so my investigator can pull their records. I give them money at street corners when I'm stopped for a light. I don't care if they want to buy beer with it. I bet you stare straight ahead and pretend they're not there after discreetly checking to be sure your doors are locked.


A lot of homeless people have significant mental health issues. Neely was one. Maybe he had a reason.

"Neely was 14 when his mother, Christine Neely, was killed at their home. NJ.com reported that her body had been stuffed inside a suitcase and left on the Henry Hudson Parkway in New York. Her boyfriend, Shawn Southerland, was convicted at a trial that Neely, then 18, testified in."

Jordan Neely struggled with not being able to help his mother before her murder, attorney says

No 14 year old should ever have to deal with that. Would you have felt sorry for him then?

Some more about his difficulties."
"For years before Jordan Neely, a mentally ill homeless man, was killed in the subway, the city had its eye on him.

He was on a list informally known as the Top 50, a roster of people in a city of eight million who stand out for the severity of their troubles and their resistance to accepting help. The list is overseen by a task force of city agency workers and social-service nonprofits; when homeless-outreach workers see someone who is on the list, in some cases they are supposed to notify the city and try to get that person to a shelter.

Despite that, and an open arrest warrant, Mr. Neely was out on his own on May 1, when he began ranting at passengers. A Marine veteran, Daniel Penny, grabbed him and choked him to death; Mr. Penny has now been charged with manslaughter."

Jordan Neely Was on New York’s ‘Top 50’ List of Homeless People at Risk

Compassion for people, especially those way less fortunate than you are, isn't a bad thing.

 

Wow
You make a lot of assumptions without any info or facts. You make assumptions about me and how I respond to situations. All while patting yourself in the back. How noble of you. Do you feel better now?
As for compassion for 14 year old Neely. I absolutely hurt for any child going through that. I wish his family had taken him in and given him the support, love and structure he needed. As for adult grown ass man Neely that attacked defenseless women… no. No compassion. It’s a shame that a child was allowed to grow into a monster.. but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a monster. There is no excuse for punching an old lady in the face. There is no excuse for dragging a child down the street in an attempt to abduct them.
Please point to any place I said any of this gave Penny the right to kill Neely. Or where I call Neely a hero. He was a man put in a bad situation when Neely brought the threat of violence into the train car .He was man who acted to protect others.
He will be tried for manslaughter and I have no issue with that. I think he will be acquitted. But I won’t lose sleep over a man who attacks the weak and helpless succumbing to the very violence he brought to the innocent on that day.

 

You did say earlier in the thread that Penny “acted as a hero.” Do you view that as significantly different from calling him a hero or has your position moderated?

 

He acted as a hero in that he acted to protect others. He put himself in harms way to help those that were weaker.
However, that doesn’t necessitate that he is a hero. ( although those on the train might differ in that statement). Neely died. Penny was the cause of that death. Why he acted is different than how he acted

 

I still want to know precisely what Neely did to make several — let’s not forget — passengers think they needed to physically restrain him until police arrived. Not speculation. Not rumor. Not minimization to promote one narrative. Not exaggeration to promote the other. What were his exact actions?

 

It’s called piling on. They wanted to get in on the action. Seen it in fights as far back as middle school.