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Crime is down, Fox viewers totally unaware

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Dec 18, 2023.

  1. danmanne65

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    None of this poor reporting is new. When did the song Dirty Laundry come out. 1981 or 1982?
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    It isn't about bank accounts for sure. To wit:



    Republican respondents were slightly more likely to respond that their income has decreased when it has increased by more than $40k.
     
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  3. citygator

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    Sure you can find crime everyday. You can also see people walking in the neighborhood everyday but that doesnt mean more or less people are walking for exercise now. You of course know that. The fact you can look at statistics and discount them as conspiracies is just a religion of nonsense.
     
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  4. homer

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    Kind of like focusing on bad cops only.

    Looks like all these gun nut carrying red blooded law abiding Americans are not causing crime to go up.

    Thanks for the report City.
     
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  5. mrhansduck

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    There is an interesting dynamic here in Florida, particularly since our Governor is running for president. I talk to people who are increasingly scared about violent crime. Yet they have supported DeSantis, and they hear him tout our historically low crime rates and talk about how great things are in Florida. I'm not sure I can reconcile those perceptions. It's also mind-numbing to try to figure out which levels of government and which officials are supposed to get credit or blame for crime rates at any given time or place. Most discussions about crime rates are entirely devoid of intellectual consistency.

    My mom is retired and watches a lot of Fox News, and I have been encouraging her to dial back her cable news intake because it has made her unreasonably anxious about crime and the direction of our country in general. I have reduced my cable news viewing, too, (from both sides) because while bad news sells, I don't think it's good for our mental health to be exposed to it for long periods of time.
     
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  6. philnotfil

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    Whatever it takes to own the libs I guess. Sad that our politics has come to this.
     
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  7. ATLGATORFAN

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    and in other news. Masks work. 2 or 3 masks work even better. Vaccine prevents spread and if you get the vaccine you can’t get COVID and are safe to be around others. Those are facts. To ask any question makes you anti people and anti science and disinformation spreader. News is shaping. Not reporting. Both sides
     
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  8. gatorchamps960608

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    Regarding Fox viewers only, they only see crime stories when a Dem is president or if a prominent Dem commits one or if the story has a racial component like the Smollett case. Otherwise with a GOP president, the national crime rate is effectively zero based on their broadcasts.
     
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  9. mrhansduck

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    I think our perceptions about our position in life are highly dependent on how we perceive we are doing compared to others.

    That's likely always been true - hence the old saying about keeping up with the Joneses. That phenomenon has likely been amplified considerably by social media. An individual may be doing objectively pretty well and even better off than they were during times which they remember fondly. But if Facebook or Insta are giving them the impression that their peers are more successful, happier, and having more fun, the subconscious tells them that they're stagnant, going in the wrong direction, or even being victimized.

    I don't say any of that to downplay legitimate concerns about the wealth gap or anxiety over rising costs of living.
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    I suspect that is part of it. I suspect the bigger effect though is social contagion of bad vibes. Essentially, if you ask somebody how things are going, they are likely to tell you terribly. Crime is out of control. Inflation is still booming. Their income has declined. Then, if you actually make people provide the true data looking for specific numbers, you see a different story. I'd suggest that a lot of this originates in more traditional forms of media, like Fox News, before spreading to social media. Then the social contagion starts.
     
  11. ATLGATORFAN

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    Also. I’ve made the argument from the beginning you can have lower overall crime and still an increase in areas. Instead of multiple drive bys in south Atlanta the violence has spread to buckhead/ Phipps mall, suburbs. So based on lower statewide overall crime the crime areas are less concentrated in poor areas and people in the burbs or Phipps mall etc are regular victims of violent crime. So yes both can be true
     
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    Analyzing data from the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), NICB’s report showed that between January and July 2023, vehicle thefts totaled more than 80,000 thefts per month and peaked in May with 87,993 vehicles reported stolen to law enforcement.

    The top 10 states with the highest rates of vehicle theft for the first half of 2023:

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  13. mdgator05

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    So do you think crime went up or down in 2022 in Buckhead?
     
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    Except in cities where it is useful to spin a tale of decay that occurs when people that don't look like you are given power and not made fearful enough of the violence necessary to keep them in their place, which must come from the federal government, at least in that scenario
     
  15. Tjgators

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    The out-of-touch threads here must come from being glued to the out-of-touch MSM. If you listen to real people; they will share with you the economy sucks for them.
     
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  16. coleg

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    And there's the anti-factual, and data be dammed take from the typical Magat? It can always be explained by a convenient conspiracy so why worry over facts?
     
  17. mdgator05

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    Has your income gone up or down?

    BTW, do you think that was all the interviews that were conducted?
     
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  18. Trickster

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    Such a statement cries out for elaboration.
    What the hell does that even mean (beyond being an ultra right dog whistle)?
    Large cities always have higher crime rates. Most people don't live there. They live in communities where crime rates are down.
    And finally there's this, which ignore statistics indicating the crime rate of Hispanics - legal and illegal - is minimal.

    Why don't you just confess you're an ultra right winger who could care less about facts?
     
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  19. citygator

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    So you respond to good news on crime with an unhinged vaccine denial post followed by a post basically saying "well crime may be less but it is spreading to burbs" which the numbers refute.

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  20. Trickster

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    City, you just don't understand (because you're a liberal). America is in the crapper because of, first, Obama, and now Biden. The only time in the last 15 years we have had competent leadership was under Trump. What we really need now is to give the middle finger to democracy, discard patriotism and wholeheartedly embrace a dictator.

    At least, that's what the anti-American MAGA-hats want. To hell with 250+ years of prosperity and international leadership. To hell with the Democratic party. What we need is one party run by a kindly dictator.
     
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