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Coronavirus - International stories and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. vaxcardinal

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  2. OklahomaGator

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    Thanks, I thought they generally boycotted them.
     
  3. G8trGr8t

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    I guess they looked right past who created the crisis to begin with...smdh
     
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    With friends like that, who needs enemies?
     
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    This is a little out of date, they are up to 426 cases and 6 deaths a month after this article was published. Early mobilization makes a difference. If we had gotten moving the way they got moving, our numbers would be much lower.

    Fear of China Made Taiwan a Coronavirus Success Story

     
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  7. chemgator

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    China has been working hard to spread misinformation in the U.S. It seems they are trying to create panic from the coronavirus situation.

    Chinese Agents Spread Messages That Sowed Virus Panic in U.S., Officials Say

    (Speaking of attempts to induce panic, I have received two texts and two robo-calls from an organization claiming that the National Weather Service indicates that there is a tornado in the area, and indicating I should seek shelter now and click on a dubious-looking link for more information, and reply "Yes" to the texts. The weather websites I use don't indicate any tornadoes in the area--you would think they would stay on top of tornadoes.)
     
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    Fun Fact: You cannot fly a scheduled airline between Taiwan and Mainland China. Must connect through Hong Kong, Seoul, Tokyo, or another city outside Mainland China.
     
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    Bolsonaro is ex military. He is also a mini Trump.
     
  11. duchen

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    Plenty of information to disregard what China and Russia claim.
     
  12. G8trGr8t

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    Brazil President fires head of national police. Justice Minister resigns in protest. Dude sounds just like Trump. He only wants people in office that are blindly loyal to him.

    Brazil Government in Turmoil as Bolsonaro Fires Police Chief and Justice Minister Resigns

    RIO DE JANEIRO — Brazil’s justice minister, Sergio Moro, a former federal judge who became the face of a powerful anti-corruption crackdown that swept Latin America, resigned in protest on Friday after President Jair Bolsonaro fired the head of the federal police.

    The resignation set off a political uproar in Brazil, Latin America’s largest nation, which like others is struggling with the coronavirus pandemic, as Mr. Moro accused the president of seeking to erode the autonomy of the federal police and put it at the service of his political ambitions. “Moro’s resignation is a seismic event in Brazilian politics,” said Ilona Szabó, the executive director of Igarapé Institute, which studies public safety in Brazil. “His departure signals a dangerous new phase for Brazil.”

    Ms. Szabó called the president’s move a “coup against democracy because the autonomy of the federal police is an essential foundation for democratic governance.” In an extraordinary resignation speech, Mr. Moro recounted in great detail what he called his final, tense conversation with the president, which took place on Thursday.

    “The president said more than once, expressly, that he wanted a person he could be in touch with personally, whom he could call directly, from whom he could receive information, intelligence reports,” Mr. Moro said, describing the kind of relationship Mr. Bolsonaro wanted with a new police chief.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    Australia joins US in call for investigation into how WHO and China bungled covid19. There is legit grievance here. That does no absolve how badly the US bungled it.

    U.S., Australia call for global investigation of pandemic response; Pompeo says WHO funding freeze could be permanent

    Australia joined the United States on Thursday in pushing for an international investigation into the origins and spread of the novel coronavirus, focusing on the behavior of China and the World Health Organization, as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the Trump administration might make permanent its cutoff of U.S. funding for the WHO.
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    Combined assessed and voluntary contributions of more than $400 million a year make the United States the largest donor to the WHO, as it is to many international bodies. Pompeo often refers to the United States as the world’s most “generous” nation, though its expenditures on humanitarian and development aid on a per capita basis place it below at least a half-dozen other developed nations in most years.

    Though the pandemic has thrown all economic projections out the window, China — with more than three times the U.S. population — had been expected to soon overtake U.S. gross domestic product. China’s assessed contribution to the WHO is barely half that of the United States this year. Beijing announced Thursday an additional $30 million donation to the organization.
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    Well, Ecuador is the next tragic story it appears. When reading these numbers, keep in mind their populaton is 5 percent of ours.

     
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    It's like looking in a mirror.

    Turmoil in Brazil: Bolsonaro Fires Police Chief and Justice Minister Quits

    RIO DE JANEIRO — Brazil’s justice minister, Sergio Moro, a former federal judge who became the face of a powerful anti-corruption crackdown that swept Latin America, resigned Friday after accusing President Jair Bolsonaro of seeking to assert improper control of the federal police for political gain.
     
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    Sweden just had back-to-back record new cases. They better be careful, because all the trust in their government which they've developed over decades may be lost in one deadly spring. Like the other European healthcare systems, they've been great because they've done well at preventive care. They're not equipped to handle something they could not/would not prevent.

    They also just withdrew their prediction that ~1/3 of Sweden would've been infected by May 1st (and thus well on their way to achieving herd immunity). It cited some unspecified error as the cause of withdrawal. It was always a questionable report, which suggested that there are up to ~1000x infected than confirmed cases. At the time of the report there were ~15k confirmed cases in Sweden, so that would mean that up to 15 million were already infected. Sweden's population is 11 million.

    Given that the first study on the accuracy of antibody tests was just completed a few days ago, I suspect that they had just noticed that perhaps they were not using a particularly accurate test.

    Article on Sweden's withdrawal of the high prevalence report:
    Sweden Health Agency Withdraws Controversial Coronavirus Report

    Article on the new study on the accuracy of antibody tests:
    Coronavirus Antibody Tests: Can You Trust the Results?
     
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    ‘The Data Is In — Stop The Panic And End The Total Isolation’: Fmr. Stanford Chief Of Neuroradiology Discusses Viral Column

    ‘The Data Is In — Stop The Panic And End The Total Isolation’: Fmr. Stanford Chief Of Neuroradiology Discusses Viral Column
    Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

    Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

    Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

    Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

    Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.


    “I think we are in a different position now than we were a month ago,” Atlas said. “That position is we have a lot of evidence. We don’t need to just simply emphasize hypothetical projections. We can combine that empirical data instead of ignoring it. We can combine that with our knowledge of fundamental biology, decades we’ve known a lot about viruses, a lot about infections, and for decades, even about this family of viruses. And then we can thoughtfully combine that evidence with the way to restore the country in a safe way.”

    Atlas defended his contention that people have a low risk of dying from the virus as being “shown all over the world” as dire death projections continue to decline as larger infection rates are discovered. Most of the infected were asymptomatic or “have zero symptoms,” he said, and the vast majority “certainly” do not require hospitalization.

    “So when you look at the newer data that has come out, the estimates are that the fatality rate is very low,” he said. “Maybe 0.1%, I mean it’s not set, it’s not known exactly but these are estimates. We also know that when you take the people who are going to die, two-thirds of people are over 70. 95% of people are over 50. If you’re young and healthy you have essentially zero, near zero chance of dying.” (RELATED: ‘This Is Insanity’: Tucker Carlson

    The former Stanford doctor pointed out that 99.2% of those who died had “some underlying condition,” a fact that should be “critical information” for policy makers.

    He then argued that “protecting the at risk population” does not “mean total isolation” for everyone else.
     
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    I just learned something I didn't know before, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has a Ph.D in Quantum Chemistry.

    Here she is explaining RO value or spread rate.


     
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    The issue with his proposal is that obesity alone has a prevalence of over 40% in the US. You then add in the non-obese patients who have hypertension, diabetes, COPD, age over 50 and whatnot, and we have easily over half of the entire population belonging to the at risk group. How do you realistically protect so many Americans without affecting the lives of the minority who are not at risk?
     
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