Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

My wife’s company went virtual March 13th. My company which was deemed essential because we service other essential businesses remained opened. The broad and loose definitions of what’s “essential” allowed most businesses to continue in Georgia. I told her that day, this “shutdown” was a waste of time. As long as I was going to work every day, her staying home was pointless.

Just to clarify, I’m in agreement with you, not Louisville. We never fully shut down which is why spread has continued. Even the “shelter in place” allowed for movement between counties. So, dade is shutdown more than palm beach? Cool, let’s take the family on a 45 minute drive from Miami and hang out in west palm for the day. Police were not checking anyone on the roads, no one was enforcing anything.

The stimulus and loans were set up to get people through a month of no income, we blew that month by not legitimately locking down.

Yes, places that had true shut downs are seeing a resurgence, but they’ve been fully opened and their economies have benefited while were limping along at 10 months without full reopens. I don’t understand how this is lost on so many.

 

Yes

 

Well that was done in China, not France. So it’s disingenuous to use that as an example that Frances efforts were worthless. I haven’t looked, but after China did implement that kind of lockdown, I don’t believe they’ve seen the cases go back up anywhere near their original levels. No, we should not do that, but there are many levels between Chinas lockdown and ours that would have been far more effective.

 

When used as an insult to those with concerns about the virus yes, to way you used it was absolutely an insult.

 

I’ve read the thread from the beginning. It appears that you’re being obtuse or willfully ignorant. Your choice.

 

Interesting article on Japan. With the way they have people stacked on top of each other you would think they'd have got hit worse. But a culture of mask wearers probably saves them.
Japan avoided a lockdown by telling everyone to steer clear of the 3 C's. Here's what that means.

 

I've felt like Andy Dufresne arguing with the warden, a lot these last few years.

 

Untrue. Even after the Woodward tapes in which he said he would lie about the virus by downplaying it were released, and he continued to tell the same lies his supporters do believe the lies. Read through this thread again. And read how the sale people repeat the lies that he tells. That is what happens in cults. The tires that bind the champion of white grievance and xenophobia to a predominantly white high school educated base are just too strong for irrelevant truths. The truths that matter are the xenophobia and white grievance. Just read the thread in the white supremacists charged in Minnesota. Posters who don’t address the subject, by immediately turn to ANTIFA. So when they repeat his lies about COVID, truth doesn’t matter to them.

 

Expected second surge in Europe only shows that the virus was going to spread. And that we are not “rounding the corner.” Trump gets lots of cheers on his stump speeches when he says that. And it is a lie. And the levels we are at are Trumo’s fault. Mitigation os necessary. And he has his superspreader events where the spread increases after he leaves. And people don’t wear masks. And he mocks mask wearing. And his rallies are not planned out for distancing with chairs right next to each other. And after 2 days on the White House “hospital” and 3 days at Walter areas with the most cutting edge treatment available to people, he downplays the virus. The lies don’t end. Spread by the same people who were spreading his lies at the beginning. Like you. When are you going wake up and stop listening to him? And stop insulting the intelligence of college educated people on this board? The political talking points are just tireless

 

The college educated? What does that mean? You are smarter than the rest? Pathetic, yet in line with how the media roles. I am a big fan of common sense over education even though I have a Masters degree. Left and right are afraid of the virus. Left and right are unafraid of the virus. Life on earth is short. The virus is super sneaky but so are all the other bad illnesses that strike out of nowhere. Blaming the deaths on Trump is dumb. A college educated person would blame the 5 governors that sent people with the virus into nursing homes. That is dumb. Those same states counted all deaths as Covid deaths, which a college educated person would call out. Yet you don't. Why?

 

Primarily because it is false. Not all deaths are counted as Covid. Why would a college educated person call out something based upon information that is patently false.

 

if it fits their agenda.

 

"College educated," means educated at a college. Where they teach critical thinking. But, your are right. Non-college educated people can be smart. And, even people with graduate degrees not to bright.

For example, someone who would read the post I wrote, and the one you responded to, might note that you didn't respond to anything I wrote.

I listed a string of lies Trump admitted to Woodward he was telling, and would continue to tell about the virus, noted that he is telling the same lies now, and that his cultists are repeating those lies.

And you ignored every single point I made. Let's make it easy: have we turned the corner on the virus? Try responding to that one. How many cases will we have in two weeks? A month? How will the hospitals be in Wisconsin? Why are we having 1000 deaths a day when treatment has improved?

And, in the context of cases going up now, while Trump holds events here there is no social distancing and where he discourages mask wearing.

And, it is not "dumb" to blame Trump for the spread of the virus. For reasons discussed upthread ad infinitum, he is responsible for the spread here.

 

Governors don't seem to be budging. Dems and GOP alike. No Euro travel ban. The politicians know it's pointless. Yeah, wear a mask, sure.

 

Why would we ban travel when our cases are higher than anyone else’s? We’re the problem. What would a travel ban accomplish? Keep healthy foreigners from coming here and getting infected. We probably should, for their sake, not ours.

 

Europe already bans us. And we have bans already in certain parts of Europe (the Schengen area). And, Trump wouldn’t ban European travel now because it is inconsistent with his lying narrative.
Europe’s Travel Restrictions for U.S. Citizens | ETIAS for Europe

 

I thought it was because we were doing more testing. I WAS LIED TO!

 

Onondaga County opioid deaths skyrocket during coronavirus pandemic

Lockdowns do more damage than good, especially for anyone under 70.

 

Last I checked we aren't in a lockdown and virus is spiraling out of control. smdh

 

Agree. Onandaga Co. is in the fourth phase of reopening. Although there is likely some connection of increased overdose deaths to covid, the projected spike is not clear evidence that lockdowns are the cause because top level numbers can't tell us this. Could be more generally the stress of covid disruption. Not to mention, but heroin/fentanyl related deaths in Onandaga have been increasing since at least 2012 (per the county's own report). Projected 2020 numbers are precipitously higher compared to earlier year-to year changes, roughly 20-25 additional heroin/fentanyl deaths by the end of the year. On the other hand, Onandaga has had 185 covid deaths.

You have to wonder had they not done anything, what their covid death numbers would look like right now? How many more sicknesses?