Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Covid deaths are not only being counted when they are the main cause of death. Here is a sample of some Milwaukee death certificates. Yeah, this doesn't sound like a money grab or anything...

 

You think that is evidence of fraud?

It is evidence that sick people that get Covid die. If your case is that there are not 200,000 healthy people that died after contracting Covid you won't find a single person arguing.

 

Ok, but there are not "many" here saying kids can't spread it. In fact, I don't know of anyone saying kids CAN'T spread it, but I may have missed it. I do see people saying the risk is low enough to open schools back up, and that the risk is very low. I just think we all get a bit tied up in hyperbole here at times. And yes, that includes me.

 

I just posted 3 examples from one week in Milwaukee. Sure, i'm sure that's not the same throughout the country...

Lets use our brains. This doesn't diminish the shitty job Trump did. But lets not pretend like all 200k deaths are Covid. It's absolutely crazy to believe that garbage.

 

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I don't understand your "money grab" point. Who is receiving money because a death is caused by COVID rather than something else?

Like @GatorGuyDallas, I have multiple family members and friends that are health care providers and the idea that they are intentionally fudging numbers is a conspiracy theory that is just not supportable. Any coercion like that would get quickly exposed.

 

Don't worry folks, I'm sure the "those are one off's" or some other BS to explain away those deaths. Just use your brain and think for yourself. Did Covid kill those people? N

Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

My niece is a nurse. I know the vast majority of doctors and staff do their job with the utmost respect and are above board. BUT, I know there are also unscrupulous people in these hospitals who are losing BILLIONS and need every dollar they can get. To disregard that is putting your head in the sand.

 

Are you even reading what that poster writes? It's a mixture of abrasive, snide comments and misinformation. And you're defending that?

 

There are comorbidities listed on death certificates because often times, there isn't just one, simple cause of death. If the attending felt like a person might have survived had he/she not contracted COVID-19, then COVID-19 would not be listed on the comorbidity. But since COVID-19 is extremely deadly for those over 70, anyone over 70 with COVID that dies, unless in a car crash, will likely have COVID listed. It's not a conspiracy.

There is also a likely undercount in the early months, when we didn't have enough tests. If an elderly patient came into the hospital with cardiac arrest in March or April, and there was little to no way to resuscitate, the hospital would not waste a test on the patient. No test means no COVID listed on the certificate, even though there was a chance that COVID was a comorbidity. We'll never know, and as far the hospital was concerned, better to use the limited resources on those they could potentially help.

 

But I do think the poster does honestly believe in the things they are saying.

 

Good reference.

Also note from the article:

Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons. But that’s how his comments have been widely interpreted and paraded on social media."

Ask FactCheck's conclusion: "Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the American Medical Association’s Journal of Ethics, told PolitiFact it is “very unlikely that physicians or hospitals will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so.”​

 

That's all well and good until they are losing Millions. That's a big number. People do a lot of unethical things when money is gone. Not sure why people are so dismissive of this. What, only hospitals are above this? These hospitals want to make profits. They aren't in it for fun.

 

Coronavirus death toll hard to track: 1 in 3 death certificates wrong.

And before anyone starts saying hospitals are good at this. And you think they will be better with Covid? No chance.

 

Agree people do unethical things when money is involved.

The people with the motivation are administrators. The question is if/how they can successfully coerce health care providers to knowingly commit fraud and report COVID cases that are not COVID cases.

 

Sadly, I think you are correct.

I have family members that are now convinced it's all fake ever since the 6% study was hijacked. "this goes away in November"

I've calmly and logically explained how they're being deceived, yet they come back with the same quackery weeks later.

Sociologists and Psychologists are going to have a field day studying human cognitive behavior when looking at 2020.

 

LOL...that happens all the time on both sides. And the "misinformation" is backed up with some data which is more than a lot of people do here Davis. But I am not defending a side as much as pointing out how silly it is to announce to everyone that you are blocking someone. That...is...lame.

 

But 95 is not saying it is a "hoax" is he? He does not support Trump does he?

He is just fighting data with data. His may be wrong, I have no idea what history will tell us, but I certainly don't think it is crazy to think this has been hyped a bit more than history may tell us, and his view on schools is not one that puts him on some weird island is it?

 

Don't let facts get in the middle of a partisan rant...

 

I think his point of that post was to show you that he blames Trump which you indicated that he does not.

 

He's saying what, only 40K have died? Sounds hoax-y to me. Yes, he points out that he doesn't support Trump on nearly every post.

He's fighting data w/ made up data. To some, that's crazy. To others it's alternative facts and a basis for reality.

I don't know his stances on schools.

 

I get that the number is made up, but to be honest, I think the larger number is somewhat made up too. The truth is we have no idea. I don't prescribe to the lower number, but I also find the higher number hard to wrap my head around too.

His point about schools has been ripped pretty good too. He is simply a proponent of opening schools up.
I struggle with what is right in that regard, but he is not alone by any means in his position.