Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I have heard this a few times from people I had assumed weren't idiots (this proves that theory wrong). Apparently, the whole world is conspiring against trump?

 

I think the shirt says it all.

 

Here are the numbers that explain how mind numbingly poorly we’ve handled the virus.

There are 90 nations with at least 10 million residents.

82 of them have fewer deaths per million than the US. 7 have a worse death rate.

We’re down there with Peru, Spain, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Ecuador and Belgium.

We still have our leader modeling large indoor gatherings with very few masks.

We have HHS Secretary Azar asserting control over the FDA as we near decision making time on important vaccine decisions.

We still have no national leadership for testing and tracing.

We have teachers being asked to welcome children into classrooms and we are not providing medical grade PPE. Does anyone believe that if we had implemented the defense production act in the spring we couldn’t have a robust supply of N95 masks for our teachers and other essential workers today?

We are amongst the very worst in the world and we still are not doing much beyond waiting for a vaccine to slow the death rate next year.

Nov 3 Vote

 

I guess we'll find out if America is pining for more mandated lockdowns and mandated N95's or for freedom. If you really want an N95 mask, you can get one very easily. If you want to shelter, nobody is stopping you.

 

Freedom is done. These guys in positions of power aren't about to go back to letting Americans decide what's best for them and their families.

 

Yep. We’ll find out if hundreds of thousands of deaths by lightning are preferable to mobilizing the government to supply folks with equipment that can slow the death rate so that it isn’t just the Bolivia’s, Ecuador’s, Brazil’s and Peru’s of the world that have a greater percentage of their populace dying.

 

Oh, you're already taking my lightning comments way out of context in your very first reply. I forgot to call checkmate. Can I get a redo?

 

Must a ton of lightning in Brazil.

 

Well, I don't live in Brazil, so I wouldn't know.

 

I wonder if other countries are counting Covid deaths like the US is, as is anyone who either tested positive and died or they think had Covid and died they rule a Covid death. Dying with Covid is vastly different than dying of Covid.

 

I don’t know that any other country has any more or less incentive than our administration to manipulate the count.

I’m certain you are right that standards vary. But being 83rd out of 90 is bad even if half the ones better than us are using a more restrictive counting method.

 

Not at all. If they are using restrictive counting and we aren't, then no one can accurately make that determination. What if our "real" Covid death number is closer to 50-60K. Well, that would be a huge difference. And before anyone says "you are making up that number", just remember, all the numbers should be taken with a very big grain of salt. I have a feeling we are around the middle of the pack. We are among the top testing countries and IF our leadership(Trump, CDC, WHO & Governors) protected the elderly better than we wouldn't have nearly the issues that we do have. Trump is the number 1 problem in my mind. But the others should be carrying a lot of blame as well.

 

Those charts show REAL numbers. Real numbers are reality. I wear a mask. I support mask mandates. But if they worked as well as some say, we should be seeing sharper dropoffs in spread count. I believe in percentages and support anything that cuts the percentage, but masks are not doing what some have claimed they would. That....or....the numbers are being inflated. Both things can not be completely true.

 

Seriously, how does one "decide" to dismiss 75% of the deaths? Pretty sure there are bodies. I'm also certain that it would take a massive, coordinated conspiracy by coroners, and physicians to accomplish it. Just not a plausible scenario at all. I think this poster also swallowed the debunked right-wing pronouncement that "the CDC stated ONLY 6% of the deaths were from covid"

 

Well, lets look at a few Milwaukee Death certificates.







Hey, maybe it's just me but yeah I'm gonna call BS on the total number of Covid deaths. You want to blame Covid, go right ahead. I mean roughly 7,500 people die a day in the US. So, yes, I can see those numbers being grossly inflated. Oh, and I'm sure hospitals wouldn't fudge the Covid diagnosis to get extra money when most hospitals are hemorrhaging money...

 

If we had full compliance with mask mandates the numbers would likely be better. We have mask mandates in Collier County and I would say that between 60 and 70% of people follow them and some stores/businesses outright flaunt their objection to them and have even filed suit against the county over the mask mandates.