Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Don’t they all? Well at least most seem to deteriorate into the same hyper-biased political back and forth; same posts from the same people.

Also, posting just in case this really gets bad

10 Edible Insects For Survival

 

He was forced to because of everyone going nuts about it. One death set everything off. Now with an astronomical 6,500 cases and a apocalyptic 100 deaths (of which 50 are in Washington state with the majority of them from a nursing home), we are going to set off a depression. I'm looking at the numbers between what a depression would do and the worse case of the virus and I'm taking the virus. We are looking at a worse case of 2 million elderly and compromised people dying from this but a depression could lead to more than that. The Great Depression actually killed more people than we lost fighting WWII simply because it lead to starvation and sickness. You haven't seen it already? I've been to 6 Publix and 3 Walmarts and the basic necessities are gone. No meat, chicken, milk, water (not a biggie - by a Pur jug), sanitizer, tp. That's now, but what happens when the supply chain is broken in a depression? No trucks loaded with food will even get to the stores. Possible hyperinflation making a loaf of bread equivalent to a week's worth of pay. Trump was trying to avoid that but it didn't work. Too many social media sites, too many media outlets making a stink about it. So we have created this out of fear. I'll take getting the virus over a depression. Sign me up right now! You guys can have the depression. 2 weeks of possible misery over years of definite misery, doesn't take a nanosecond to make that choice.

His only choice now is go into this with a full head of steam and somehow prevent the Greatest Depression. I don't think he can stop that from happening now.

 

Good point. It's certainly diverged from the subject, and I'm as guilty as anyone.
IMPORTANT - Please use this thread for discussion about the state of the virus in the United States. Take the Trump/Media stuff to the Trump changes tune thread.
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I posted a few days ago about a friend on another message board. His elderly Dad had pneumonia and a fever but his doctor (at the Mayo clinic in Jax) couldn't get him a test. Well after several days without being tested he eventually got one and is positive. Let's hope he was treated as if he had it and nobody got it from him. He's now in the ICU.

 

Are you a doctor or an epidemiologist? Do you have any expertise in infectious diseases? Because here's what people who do are saying:
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The team, led by epidemiology professor Neil Ferguson (an expert in pandemic response) projects that had the government continued pursuing a mitigation approach, that could have led to an estimated quarter of a million deaths in the UK alone (and 1.1-1.2m in the US), with demand for intensive care beds outstripping supply by a factor of eight to one. The suppression strategy, they predict, will lead to “a few thousands or tens of thousands” of deaths. So still very grim, but less so.

 

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

 

We have the battle of science vs. ignorance. Right now, science is winning, but I don't expect ignorance to just give up. As this thread shows, we're in for a hell of a fight.

 

Aside from the numbers, the timeline is what really got my attention. I've been hoping we would be getting back to normal in 3 months. This indicates we will be peaking in three months, maybe four if we do a good job of slowing the spread.

 

Science huh?? So you are really willing to destroy the world's economy over low grade fever and aches???

Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson released from the hospital following coronavirus diagnosis - CNN

This is what the vast, vast majority of people would get from this, even IF( and that's a very small if) they got it.

No,, thank you. The game plan should have been from the beginning to protect the vulnerable, and have everyone else carry on. No need for panic. No need for the stock market to lose 30% of its value, no need for small businesses to shut down. No need for $1.2T stimulus packages.

To borrow a phrase from Urban Meyer: Nut Up!

Mark my words, the vultures that make up the majority of your profession are just waiting to cash in. Stirring the pot all the way to the bank!

 

Yes, science. The scientists and doctors who continue to tell us that if we don't act swiftly, millions will die. But what would the experts know. That's why when I go to the doctor, I always overrule the doc and diagnose myself. Because I know best. You need to reign in your hubris.

Mark my words, if left unchecked, the vultures in your profession will pocket the bailouts and leave average Americans to fend for themselves. The vultures that make up the majority of your profession are just waiting to cash in.

 

You do understand the concept of exponential growth, right? You made this post 48 minutes ago and now we are up to 7,301 cases. And that is in a country that isn't testing. The way to stop panic was to test and effectively run the early response. Actual cases are likely much higher. Most people aren't going to just be okay with the millions dead option, sorry.

 

harrumph harrumph, well if you tally the total number of deaths over the last thousand years from ingrown toenails you will clearly see that this coronavirus thing is totally overblown,... cough cough

 

That's why social distancing does little to stop the spread of these things.

 

Just in general we don't always have tests to dx every illness. People are treated with presumptive dx all the time.

Hope your friends Dad does well.

 

Have to wonder about the food delivery or pickup they’re pushing in lieu of eating in restaurants. Sounds like you need to use your own dinnerware, utensils and napkins, and wash you hands before eating and after transferring the food and tossing the packaging.

And what about food at grocery stores? Much of it comes packaged in cardboard or plastic and is being restocked daily.

 

As far as food from the store it seems that if you waited 3 days to eat it you'd be fine but does anyone know at this point?

 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Science doesn’t care what you believe.

 

The news agencies publishing all these worst case scenarios is a service I guess but seriously a little balance with good outcomes and better outcomes might be beneficial too.

 

"Well I have some more anecdotal evidence lined up!!"

 

Wait a minute, Tom Hanks is 63. How did he survive?