Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Yep. We’re like a 3rd world country. For some reason many ignore science, doctors, common facts etc. also want to be self-important with “you ain’t the boss of me!” Why are we so dysfunctional.

 

Gonna have to disagree with your prof about outliers and handling of them. Sorry

 

Isn't that because school's been out in many/most places around the country since May/June?

 

or maybe that is why we are the greatest country in the world, we do not follow lockstep at times, if so, our forefathers would have never ventured further and further west,would have stayed in a comfort zone.

 

How are we the greatest country in the world? Based on what?

 

Asinine comparison. Progression vs. Regression.

This country has defeated serious disease in the past with vaccines, some of these previously eradicated diseases are taking hold again because of stupidity. That has nothing to do with marching to a different drummer or taking chances to "venture forth", it's literally JUST stupidity. It's a regression. The handling of the virus is certainly not comparable to any positive moments in our history - or any great progress. It reminds me more of the anti-vaxxer movement, which is really some degenerate stuff based mostly on ignorance and misinformation. The result of this in the context of COVID has caused the pandemic to be far worse in this country than it needed to be.

 

imagine if our country of today, had to go thru what our parents and grandparents did. depression, rationing, military draft. True self-sacrifice, for the common good. And paid their way as they went - didn’t leave their children massive debt. And now we can’t even wear masks. Ironic we chant “USA” full of hubris and follow simplistic demagoguery. But our ancestors were truly great and did it with a reticent attitude. What happened to make us like this?

 

In California breadbasket, hospitals overwhelmed as COVID-19 infections soar

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - Nearly 200 federal healthcare workers have been deployed to California's Central Valley agricultural breadbasket, where hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases as new infection rates soar, Governor Gavin Newsom said on Monday.

The arrival over the past several days of Department of Defense personnel will help hospitals in the stricken region, where some hospitals and intensive care units are two-thirds full of COVID-19 patients. That has left little room for people who are ill from other conditions and is putting immense pressure on doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers trained in providing care to the sickest patients.

To combat the virus' spread, the state is committing $52 million to the eight counties that make up the San Joaquin Valley, Newsom told a news conference in Stockton, near the state capital of Sacramento.
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The state has rolled back efforts to re-open its economy, closing bars, banning indoor restaurant dining and postponing the resumption of in-person school instruction in 37 counties that are home to 93% of Californians.

 

We did a total non-essential shut down here for 2 months. Schools, businesses, you could get a ticket for going to church. Still had community spread after those 2 months. The fact we did re-open a lot of things shows the governors understand keeping everything shut down for months on end is untenable. Beshear has been one of the strictest governors in the nation on this and just today, he closed bars in Kentucky for 2 weeks. Really? You think shutting down bars is going to stop community spread? And 2 weeks? He cut restaurant capacity down to 25%. LOL. It's still going to spread. It was still spreading when all those things were shut down completely for 2 months. If we couldn't stop it back in April with a total shut down, it ain't going to be stopped by keeping the schools closed now.

And guess what? You can't go to a bar and get a drink.. but not a peep about protests. Not a word. That's why nobody is taking it seriously. Because the governors are playing politics with it. You want the people to cooperate? Be consistent. Be flat and fair. Don't look the other way when tens of thousands of people are clearly breaking social distancing guidelines.

 

I guess a liberal Democrat governor re-opened things too soon. Pity.

 

So our forefathers western expansion with its extraordinary perils is comparable to - us not wearing a mask. And since we don’t wear masks, ignore health guidance, and are leading the world in COVID sick and dying makes us “greatest country in the world”?

 

So just throw your hands up and don't even try? American exceptionalism debunked right here.

Maybe if we had true leadership that advised sacrifice over selfishness, this country could do great things and eradicate the virus like others countries pretty much did. We've done great things before. But that's when we've had real leaders in the White House, and not the orange clown we have now.

 

"Case fatality rate, also called case fatality risk or case fatality ratio, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time. Case fatality rate typically is used as a measure of disease severity and is often used for prognosis (predicting disease course or outcome), where comparatively high rates are indicative of relatively poor outcomes. It also can be used to evaluate the effect of new treatments, with measures decreasing as treatments improve. Case fatality rates are not constant; they can vary between populations and over time, depending on the interplay between the causative agent of disease, the host, and the environment as well as available treatments and quality of patient care."

(my emphasis)

case fatality rate | Definition, Example, Equation, & Facts

 

What country is greater in your opinion and why?

 

If the recorded data represents reality, why would we dismiss the outliers?

 

Everything I talked about in my previous posts were things GOVERNORS did, not Trump. I know you want this to be able Trump so bad, but the truth of the matter is we live in a decentralized governmental system and most of the power is vested in the states when it comes to these decisions. Newsom is having all sorts of trouble keeping it contained in California. I knew as soon as I went to Lowe's and Kroger in early April and saw parking lots full, that the shutdown wasn't going to stop it. Sure, it perhaps slowed things down to give doctors a chance to react, but at an enormous cost. But stopping community spread? LOL

Your beef here shouldn't be with Trump. He cannot force governors to do what you want them to do. And if he did, you'd just call him an autocrat. I'm not sure what profession you're in, but it's pretty well known in the business community right now that 95% of the governors have zero political will to do another shut down. Your "trying" means bilking the American economy of trillions more and putting millions more people out of a job. Think about all those plants that re-opened. If they have to shut down again, it won't end well. You think we're spending a lot now on stimulus? There won't be enough money in the Treasury to throw at the economy if we do another shut down. There is a certain point where shut downs for a virus that have less than a 0.5% death rate among working age Americans is untenable. And yes, if the CDC is even close to being correct about how many people have this virus, the death rate is well below 0.5% for working age Americans. As it relates to school children, that rate dives much lower. To my knowledge, we've only had 1 person under the age of 18 die in Kentucky from Covid.