Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

That was the lead guy speaking to the American public about a virus that had not yet achieved community spread to their knowledge. What does that have to do with Trump saying it was a hoax, it would soon be down to zero cases, and that it would disappear like a miracle weeks and even months later? What does that have to do with Trump encouraging people to liberate themselves from the shutdown? What does that have to do with not a single peep from Trump (and Pence) encouraging mask use, and refusing to be seen with one on until JULY. How about allowing US citizens to run free after returning from European hot spots with very little screening and no mandatory isolation? Fauci's message has continuously evolved as we got new information whereas the freaking POTUS has remained steadfast in his stubbornness since the very beginning. He is still claiming that everything is overblown in an attempt to hurt his reelection campaign and folks like @AgingGator eat it up.

 

You honestly believe what Faucci was telling the American public was exactly the same info as was in the daily White House briefings? Be honest, did you hear those quotes in February and have the takeaway, cases will be down to zero in no time, poof, it’ll be gone?

 

Experts at the CDC, local and state health departments, and those in academic positions closely connected to the CDC were discussing the need to close schools and implement social distancing in late January and early February. After the Diamond Princess, those calls got louder and more desperate sounding as they realized the spread rate.

'We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window': Leaked emails show top public-health experts raised alarm about the Trump administration's botched coronavirus response

 

Yes, at that time there was nothing the general public needed to be doing to prepare. All the preparations that needed to happen were in the medical community.

I'm not sure why you keep posting this as a rebuttal to the idea that preparations should have been underway in February and March.

 

It could be possible that other organs failed without his lungs leading the way. I read a story about a mother who lost 2 adult children to COVID and the daughter went from fever to kidney failure.

 

Our options are both bad. Kids do need to be in school as it is much better for learning and development. Kids do not need to be in school as it is a vector by which an already raging virus can continue to grow out of control and spread not just to kids but in 2-3 generations of the virus' spread to people across age groups. When you implement bad policy, you often end in a situation in which both of your options are exceptionally bad. At some point, maybe we will decide that we have had enough of bad option A, bad option B choices and implement policies that get us off of this treadmill.

 

An interesting if somewhat imperfect study (issues of endogenous selection into being scanned, insufficient control group, etc.) that suggests heart damage as a possible long-term effect.

Global evaluation of echocardiography in patients with COVID-19

 

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Hospitals confirm mistakes in Florida’s COVID-19 report

This is an issue, it just fuels the minimizers(with good reason).

"The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive."

"The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report. The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent"


Makes you just shake your head.

 

Depending on where you live kids haven't been at home. My son hasn't stayed home almost the entire time. Maybe a few days during March when kids weren't going to the beach. He's been back to football training since June 1 4 days a week 2-3 hours a day.

 

It would have been a good plan however there weren't many accurate tests in Jan/Feb to ramp up testing.

 

I agree. Not sure how many kids are staying isolated. I know of 2 families that have their kids isolated because their grandparents live them(good idea). Every other kid my children are around are running around like nothing happened.

 

The internal CDC states reopening schools in areas of high infection rate is a very high risk proposition. Not just for the kids, but for teachers and staff. And their lives matter too. Sorry, but substitute teachers aren't nearly as effective as full time, and no, not everyone out of a job, currently on the streets, can be an effective teacher.

Where there is risk, there is also liability. With the CDC guidelines out to the public, who is liable if/when a teacher gets sick and dies? What about a student? Does the school district pay? State government? What about the Feds, if a school only opens because not opening would mean the loss of school funds?

Again, in places like Arizona, it's not if someone at a school tests positive, it's when. In fact, it's already happened. A boarding school outside of Phoenix for at-risk boys had 23 students and 8 staff members test positive, despite the fact everyone was wearing masks and the school was adhering to other protocols. The fact is, even while wearing masks, increased exposure to someone who is positive increases the risk of infecting others.

Here's further proof that even with small numbers and adhering to best practices, COVID-19 can spread. Three teachers in the small mining town of Hayden-Winkleman in Arizona were sharing a classroom to teach virtually over the summer. Three adults, all wearing masks and cleaning daily. All three got sick, and one passed away.

This was three adults, wearing masks, and all three still got infected. One brought the virus in, the other two got sick. Now subtract two adults, but add in 25 students, with at least one of them COVID-19 positive. How many in the class, in total, get the virus? How many spread it to those they live with at home, including parents, grandparents, siblings, and guardians? How many people in the hospital does this mean, and how many dead?

 

No one is paying. If a kid with the flu at school gives it to my son and he dies, do I get to sue the school district? That is a stupid reason to keep schools shut down. So your idea is to home school until a vaccine? That is asinine. What if it's 3 years? 2 years? Come on man. Can't stay closed forever.

 

There were accurate enough tests in South Korea based on the WHO procedures. Those same tests were offered to us. The CDC turned them down.

 

Antibodies will always go away. Your body however has memory cells that can quickly start producing the antibodies again.

 

Oh I eat it up?? The only one eating anything up is you and others who are taking these media stories indicating that Trump is not listening to his medical experts, including Fauci.

The thing to note in this article is that even as the writer intends to bash Trump and tries his hardest to do so, Fauci's answer to his direct question destroys his narrative that Trump doesn't listen:

Anthony Fauci’s Plan to Stay Honest

Nicholas: Have you felt pressure from the Trump administration to deliver a particular message about the coronavirus?

Fauci: No, they’ve not [pressured me]. [Laughs.] I’m not sure why.

Nicholas: How does Trump compare with other presidents with whom you’ve worked?

Fauci: He has a very unique style. But the thing that encourages me is that every time I’ve asked him to do something—cut out China travel, or go to the mitigation guidelines—he’s always ultimately listened to what I’ve said. When I’ve said, I really think we should do this, he’s never said no and overruled my recommendation. No matter what his style is, when it comes to the core of what gets done, thankfully, he has listened to me.

Maybe you should try reading material, thinking for yourself instead of letting MSNBC, CNN, NYT, and WaPo telling you what to think.

In any complicated issue in any organization there are always competing theories, ideas and solutions. No doubt there have been many emails that flew around in these health organizations with some great ideas and some crazy ideas. To "cherry pick" the emails that create the narrative that you want like the articles @mdgator05 are doing is totally disingenuous and terribly irresponsible. "So called" journalists should not run with leaked emails unless those emails contain the full context and debate of the discussion.

My neighbor gets a new car everytime the OEM tires need to be replaced. He probably sends emails to his friends and family about it, given that he talks about it so much. Doesn't mean those emails are right. In fact it's the opposite. Financially, he's a moron to trade cars every 2-3 years, when $800 -$1000 would keep that otherwise excellent condition car serving him well for another three years.

 

you post an article from March, things have changed between Trump and Fauci.
It is now July and Fauci hasn't talked to Trump in over a month.
Fauci and Trump not speaking as coronavirus pandemic worsens - CNNPolitics

 

And Fauci was almost certainly walking a tight rope with Trump, trying to stay involved in a positive manner without getting run out.

Now when Fauci is well respected and not in agreement with Trump's misrepresentations, we see the real Trump... going on negative attacks against the person he appointed to lead the effort... as he always does.

 

Fauci was clearly just saying the PC thing, what is he going to say “your President is a dumbass and I can’t get through to him”? If you actually think Trump is listening to Fauci right now then it is YOU who are not paying attention.

It should also be pointed out that Fauci and Trump are not even on speaking terms, Fauci has not even briefed Trump or spoken to Trump directly in 2 months. How does Fauci’s comment hold up now? Seriously, your article is from March, that was during the very brief moment Trump was putting on the “see guys, I’m taking this virus seriously” act. That lasted barely a month, in between it was “Democrat hoax” and “15 cases down to zero”, now we are at “it’s only going up because we are testing”, “its Obama’s fault, he stopped the tests” and “get your asses back in school or I will cancel your special education and school lunch programs!”.

 

That's why once you have a cold, you'll never get another one? It doesn't always work that well.