Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

No. These countries have had better testing and contact tracing than the US. They aren’t manipulating numbers like some states in the US or outright lying to cover up the incompetence of their leadership.

 

Wow. I’m glad you are over it.

My buddy suffered from it like you except it wasn’t for as long a time. We (friends) had to mow his yard and do other tasks for him for a little less than a year. I would be talking with him in his living room and suddenly he would say excuse me, I’ve got to go lay down. His doctors were guessing as to what he had. I can’t remember the name of his disease but remember the CFS he suffered from it.

Many of us co-workers gave him their sick time so he wouldn’t miss any pay. Fortunately our employer allowed it.

I hope you never experience that again Dango.

 

The official line is 2-14 days with a median time of 4-5 days.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

 

How in the world do we know that?
There are several reports that Italy (for example) has under reported all along.

 

That is of course the unknown about this. We still don't know all the ramifications for the majority who survive. It seems most just bounce back in a couple weeks, but some are obviously harmed long term.

Glad you are OK now, and I certainly understand your concern today.

 

he doesn’t. He’s just making things up. Par for the course.

 

Mayors, on advice of health EXPERTS, seeking authority to impose mandatory mask wearing requirements.

"On Tuesday night, a number of doctors pleaded with the Montgomery, Ala., City Council to make mask wearing mandatory. The request was supported by Mayor Steven Reed, who said, “We are at a point that we cannot sustain much longer. ... Our hospitals are reaching a breaking point.”

Montgomery County has more cases than any other county in Alabama, which as a state has seen its case total spike upward over the last 14 days. State health officials said a number of the hospitals in the state have reached all-time highs in numbers of COVID-19 patients.

“The units are full with critically ill COVID patients,” Dr. William Saliski of Jackson Hospital said, noting that 90 percent of the patients in the ICU are black. “This mask slows that down, 95 percent protection from something as easy as cloth. ... If this continues the way it’s going, we will be overrun.”

Doctors, mayors plead for mask enforcement as COVID-19 cases continue to spike

 

You win the "pot calling the kettle black" award today. Congratulations!

 

Texas coronavirus hospitalizations surge 11% in a single day


KEY POINTS

• The number of people sickened with Covid-19 across Texas’ hospitals hit a new high Wednesday, surging about 11% in a single day.
• The new total Wednesday marks the eighth new high in the state in less than two weeks.
• Texas coronavirus hospitalizations are now up more than 84% since Memorial Day as the state continues to reopen.

 

So it is clear that nationwide in the month since reopening began that cases are rising. We have debated the cause to the bitter end. My question is, why is the death rate continuing to drop? It has been a month. Shouldn't we be seeing a spike in deaths that equates with the spike in cases?

Is it a sign that testing is a big factor?
Are we more in tune with treatment options?
Is this a sign that the virus is losing some potency?

Thoughts?

 

All of the above, I hope.

 

as for the death rate drop, and i hate to sound morbid, but in the start of this. most people who were at high risk for covid caught it,and later died , as time wore on, more and more high risk people stayed at home and thus fewer caught it, and in turn fewer died.

 

I posted this in the Florida thread:

I think it’s a bunch of things.

more testing
Younger people being more likely to be out and to get it.
Doctors doing better with outcomes as they learn more
Relative social distancing, better cleaning policies at stores and other places and lack of huge crowds (Again relatively speaking) meaning viral loads are lower on those that get infected.
And more deaths occur on the back side of spikes than the front.

we will see which of those hold up over time.

 

I agree this is definitely a factor. Unfortunately in my neck of the woods I'm seeing more and more high risk folks being out and about. For instance my grandparents have now told me they think a lot of it was overhyped and outright lies (they are ardent Trump supporters and Fox News viewers) so they've loosened up and now attend church regularly as well as going to parties and such. It sucks but there's nothing I can do about it at this point.

 

Not now. Cases are low enough to track.

 

Death is a lagging indicator. It takes 4 - 14 days before someone who is infected start showing signs. And the signs are usually mild at first before quickly progressing to a point where medical attention, i.e. hospitalization, is required. Once in a hospital, then it can be an additional 2 to 3 weeks before there's no more hope and nothing left to do. So from onset of infection to death, it could take 4-6 weeks.

It's possible that the death tolls in places like Arizona, Florida, and Texas will start rising in the next week or two. Hopefully it won't, because one thing the flattening of the curve bought us was time to learn how to better treat the disease. The steroid treatment that was mentioned in the past few days is the most promising treatment to date, and that will only add to the medical knowledge.

If the death toll rises in the next few weeks, it will disappointing, but none too surprising. If the death rate stays flat or even better, goes down, then that's a good sign that treatment options are getting better. Let's hope this is what we see.

 

That’s pretty wild when you put it into that perspective on 4-6 weeks for deaths to catch up with cases. This thing really blew up in mid March. It’s currently mid June. We’ve only been battling this virus for 3 months, but deaths may not be realized until a month to a month and a half.

 

well, people who care so much about lives should have stayed away, all that happened was riots broke out, where were the masks?