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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. dangolegators

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    Why do you think cases have doubled in Florida over the past few weeks?
     
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  2. buckeyegator

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    the overall positive test % 1 month ago, may 15 was 13.5%, today it is 8.75%, so explain to me how the rate is increasing. i get the feeling you, and a couple of others will always not like what i post on numbers, guess it's the name that still bothers some, however, dropping numbers accross the board do not lie.
     
  3. buckeyegator

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    perhaps to the more than 7,000 additional daily tests each day.
     
  4. dangolegators

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    Once again you are including the early case numbers when testing was scarce. And nationally the positive rate came down as the spike in NY/NJ got under control. NY/NJ were posting more than 10k new cases per day during the peak. Now they are posting just a small fraction of that number.

    But in places like Florida the positive rate has gone up since May. For May the positive rate in Florida was 3.5%. So far in June, the positive rate is 5.0%. Why do you think that is?
     
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  5. dangolegators

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    But the positive rate has gone up too. Why do you think that is?
     
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  6. ursidman

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    No, I didn't know him - he was hometown guy shot in LaBelle. Its all over my FB. He was a real good man and well respected by co-workers and citizens too. He was so young.

    edit: he was trying to stop a hit and run driver while off duty. Spoke with a buddy this evening who said he was a wonderful man liked by all. Didn't know him, never met him but still feel it.
     
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  7. buckeyegator

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    i am sorry early testing was scarse, you can only run numbers on the data you have.if testing was low, which it was , and positives were high, which they were, explain how 2 times and more daily tests leads to a much lower positive rate is not right?all i am saying is twice the daily tests is leading to 50-% less overall total positives from 6 weeks ago.
     
  8. dangolegators

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    Why is the positive test rate in Florida higher in June than it was in May?
     
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  9. buckeyegator

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    is there any way to really find out if visitors to states who test positive are counted toward that state, or their home state, might explain a small increase in the sunbelt states uptick.
     
  10. NavyGator93

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    When NY and NJ were doing horrible, people wanted to exclude those numbers as evidence that the virus wasn't that bad as a whole for the country.
    Now that cases in NY and NJ are doing much better, those same people want to include those numbers to show the country as a whole is trending better.

    Whatever supports their agenda.
     
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  11. dangolegators

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    No, it's really not that difficult of a question to answer. And I wouldn't say a doubling in daily cases is a 'small increase'. So why is the positive test rate higher in Florida in June than it was in May?
     
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  13. dangolegators

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    Yep. It's intellectual dishonesty at its finest.
     
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  14. buckeyegator

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    like the around 5,000 covid 19 deaths new york counted w/o a shred of evidence the dead even had the disease, dishonesty cuts both ways.
     
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  15. dangolegators

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    Speaking of dishonesty. There was plenty of evidence the dead had the disease. That's why they were classified as covid deaths.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    The delta in change in positive test results is a logic problem with several variables. These include how many people are actually sick, how many actually get tested, availability of tests, demographics/geography of the illness (i.e. hotspots), etc.

    A few months ago when tests were limited, and there was a hotspot in the most dense, highly populated areas in the US, it's logical that the percent positives nation-wide would be high. The spread in the NY/NJ area was wide, and whatever limited tests we had were going towards testing in the highly affected areas. Why waste a test on someone in rural Wyoming when that test could be used in NY/NJ and possibly help the spread with isolation?

    Today, the variables have changed. Testing is much more widespread and NY/NJ is no longer a hotspot. It makes sense that percentage wise, positive results are going to go down because the number of tests needed in NY/NJ has dropped after months of self-isolation, and we now have the available tests to test someone in rural Wyoming who requests it.

    But this doesn't tell the whole story. There are still hotspots, like Florida and Arizona, that have shown upticks in positive test result percentages. And this is not good news. It suggests in areas where the weather is already hot, and people are enjoying going out that infections are going up. The weather is warming up around the country daily, and the current UW model has the nation spiking again late August/early September.

    The nationwide number of positive tests isn't the best indicator. We should monitor more local, state-wide or city-wide areas. Testing more and more people in rural Wyoming might bring the national numbers down, but that doesn't mean the spread is getting to dangerous levels in other, more urban and suburban areas across the nation.
     
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  17. buckeyegator

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    evidence of having the disease and having it are 2 different things. unless they were tested, which they were not, you cannot classify them as covid deaths no matter how much circumstantial evidence you think you have, cuomo just used them for his agenda, guess they were not nursing home occupants.
     
  18. RIP

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    yes you absolutely can classify them without a positive COVID test. It is common medical procedure to determine factors causing deaths without lab tests. You've been told this countless times but have maintained it's all a conspiracy. My father passed away and we didn't get an autopsy done. Guess what? He still had a determined cause of death by a doctor.
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    You said there wasn't a 'shred' of evidence. There was, and that's why their doctors classified them as covid deaths. And you are denying that they died from covid for your own strange agenda.
     
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  20. dangolegators

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    And there were thousands of more deaths in NY than normal for March and April, but buckeye wants to tell us that none of those thousands died from covid.
     
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