Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Very educational segment

 

So are we all. However, as I pointed out earlier, there is a difference between boosting your immune system in general, and then people thinking that they can increase their specific immunity to this specific virus.

Further, since a percentage of people are dying from your immune systems going into uncontrolled overdrive, it is not clear that "boosting your immune system" is something that a) would help or b) might even hurt you.

 

Kiss of death.

 

Oh man. You know the warning you see on products and made fun of because you knew it was there because someone did something incredibly stupid? For example, the "don't put hand under lawn mower while engine running" warning. I never thought a major company would have to put out a warning based on something so stupid, something that had to be in place for that one out of 10,000 stupid enough to think or even try it. I also didn't think that person would be our president.

Lysol maker issues warning against injections of disinfectant after Trump comments

 

I wonder if this gives us a clue to the origin of Trump's condition. At some point in his life did someone inject his brain with disinfectant? Maybe someone thought it was a good treatment for schoolyard bullies or village idiots.

Among other things it made his hair and skin turn orange.

 

That is a whole lot of stupid. If people are getting info from these sources, it does explain a lot of the trumpsters on here though.

Who is lady with the shrill voice at :28? How the hell can anyone listen to that voice?

 

It was supposed to cure bone spurs I think.

 

Sweden has a death rate of 200 per million and had their highest number of new cases yesterday (first reported cases 3/3).

Israel has a death rate of 22 per million and peaked 3 weeks ago (first reported cases 3/8).

These seem different to me. I vote we follow Israel's path.

 

According to John Hopkins, the flu kills between 12,000-61,000 people per year (they don't specify if that's flu and pneumonia or just flu by itself). At the current rate we are going to push the upper limit of 61K in deaths in just two months (April and May). Now granted, the flu isn't as deadly in the summer (and Covid-19 might not be either) and we also have some vaccines and therapies to use against the flu. On the other hand, this includes a full to partial lockdown in many areas of the country because (unlike the flu) no one has that immunity. Some people may not suffer more than mild symptoms but that is not because they are "immune".

So I think the "influenza" comparisons are a bit inconsistent. To me it is like going to battle against someone armed with a hunting rifle versus an assault rifle. They can both kill you but I like my chances better against the guy with a hunting rifle for personal reasons.

 

I'm coming to this conversation late but wasn't the infection rate in Santa Clara, based on the antibody data, thought to be 3% while in NYC it was somewhere between 10-20%? Do the death rates not line up given those differences? Has someone already done the math?

 

The math is a few pages back, but if the Santa Clara data is generalizable (it isn't), then the fatality rate is about 0.09%. The fatality rate in New York, if everyone in the state has already been infected (they haven't), is already at 0.11%.

The fatality rate in New York, if the data from their antibody testing is generalizable, would put the fatality rate in the range of 0.5-0.8%.

 

Trump approved of Georgia's plan to reopen early before he bashed it

 

Look at the numbers a year from now bet they will be comparable. Sweeden will be in a lot better shape if this 2nd wave everyone is already freaking over comes to pass.

 

new numbers this morning
Sweden 213 per million, 813 new cases(new high) 131 new deaths
Israel 22 per million, 79 new cases, 1 new death

 

"I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, “How do you know so much about this?” Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President."

-Donald Trump

 

Michael Rapaport had a thought provoking response to this.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

People that are continuing to deny this virus should go back to the beginning of the thread and read the whole thing so you can see in plain text how these right-wing talking points have evolved as they have been proven wrong over time. It's disgusting that we are still fighting with our own people to convince them that this is important and different than the flu.

 

No, we were not had. More dangerous fringe conspiracy thinking. The statistics show widespread transmission that puts more people at risk. And no one has ever said the death rate is 7.4%. What has been said is that the limited testing allows for community spread, which this proves. What is really horrible is that this fringe thinking drives policy for government driven by fringe right wing voters who they need. This type of outright falsity is dangerous where people actually behave because they believe this. A .75% death rate, which is a faulty conclusion, means 45,000 deaths in New York alone assuming business as usual, and 60 percent infection to herd immunity. And they is without the medical system being overrun. But, you never actually calculate the numbers supporting your faulty analysis.

 

Rough timeline:

It’s a hoax
It’s controlled
It’s no worse than a common cold
It’s no worse than the flu
H1N1 was worse and Obama didn’t do nothin
The doctors are exaggerating death numbers
We need to open up!