Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Let's pretend they're right (although we've already discussed the sampling used by the Stanford study). Let's use your number. Pretend 100% more (twice as many) americans have been infected. That's 1.6 million. Why not round it up and say 2 million? And from that we have 45k deaths, with thousands more in hospitals and on ventilators. A typical flu year has 40 to 55 million cases, and kills 25-60k. I'm not making these numbers up, this is from the CDC.
Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Flu Burden Estimates

How do you equate 45k out of 2 million (being generous here) to 50k out of 50 million (taking rough middles)? Multiply it out - what happens if as many get infected with COVID as a typical flu season? And since COVID is more virulent, what happens if more get infected? Let me know what you come up with.

Are the hospitalization rates the same? At what level are hospitals overrun? Here's a hint - there are about 1 million hospital beds in the country, with 700-800k in use on a typical non-COVID day.

 

he won't discuss math. it isn't capable of being warped by emotion

 

Not all of those are from Covid-19 already , 40,000 is a long way to 200,000

 

a relatively unbiased holistic view at the pros and cons of the study.

Coronavirus: More than 48,000 already infected in Santa Clara County, Stanford study finds

 

The FLU did kill 61,000 in 2017-2018 season in the USA according to the CDC website, but was a bad year. This obviously isn't the FLU but I think it can be argued that the FLU virus is a deadlier virus as it kills that many with a vaccine and treatments, not that its relevant as this is a novel virus with no vaccine or treatment. It will obviously kill more until we have treatments or vaccine like the FLU, although we have no idea the fatalities once we have these. It might turn out to be more deadly.

 

One of three options has to be true:

1. This virus is much more deadly.
2. The spread rate is much higher
3. Both

If we socially distanced around the flu, the number of infections would likely be cut by about 80-90%.

 

Not arguing the infections or the deadliest virus, just saying it can be argued its more deadly as an actual virus. COVID looks like its more contagious for sure.

 

Your fact of 40,000 dying from COVID-19 is false, they've already came out and stated that a lot of those who died weren't all tested
According to the CDC the flu killed 80,000 in 2018, why wasn't you and others self quarantining then? Why wasn't you and others demanding a shut down then? Do those deaths not mean anything? The flu has been killing a lot of people a lot longer than this new virus, why haven't you and others demanded a vaccine that actually works for the flu all the time?

I've stated this from the beginning and I still believe this just like the flu. Meaning this is spreading through the US like the flu, not affecting everybody like the flu doesn't, some will die like the flu etc. Does this cause more issues maybe. We already know that all the deaths from this is not accurate but if want to believe that it is that's fine.
I personally think what the Governor of Georgia is doing is the right approach I letting some of these business slowly reopen, if they don't want they don't have to. If you don't feel safe yet then continue living they way you have, just don't expect the rest of our citizens to follow others in their beliefs, it's not right

 

going to be interesting seeing the ny death figures today.cuomo said at noon there were 474 deaths in ny yesterday. that is, at 2pm, worldometer is reporting 474 ..for today. i have always said that they were a day behind.hope the number stays at 474, hope they are not adding some of todays with yesterdays, giving a uneven, and false count.

 

Wait so you believe the CDC flu ESTIMATES but not COVID-19 deaths that have been judged by doctors on every case?

 

Death figures have been understated to date.

Numerous stories on this from the US, UK and other countries. And of course, China.

 

as of 2pm today 83420 have been classified as recovered, need to start comparing that figure vs deaths on a daily basis to see how we are progressing

 

Yeah it would be helpful if they showed the active cases and new cases and take off the cases that have recovered. For instance its great that my city has 88 cases but that number has never gone down only up. I know for a fact that some of those folks have recovered.

 

They do but it is not broken down by state. look on the world page. You see active cases, serious/critical etc. for USA.
Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,609,100 Cases and 182,151 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

How many of those 80,000 tested positive for the flu? Hint: it wasn't 80,000. So is that false too?

Demanding a flu vaccine that works all of the time doesn't make one appear. They have been trying to do that, but there isn't a single strain of flu that continually returns each year and the differences make it hard to come up with a consistently successful vaccine.

 

They doctors openly admitted that not every death was tested to confirm Covid. Can you show were it states exactly what you just claimed, you do realize that CDC doesn't require TESTS to confirm COVID before it's coded as COVID death. If symptoms are present... that's enough.

 

Thanks, I did see that. I was more referring to a local level.

 

The 80,000 number does't require a doctor to verify the symptoms. It is done with modeling based on expected deaths. BTW, I have no clue where you are getting this number from. The estimate at the CDC is 61,000 for 2017-2018 and now 34,157 for 2018-2019.