Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Lol, haven't been proven wrong yet, just like the flu

 

Quit spreading the lies, not all of them died from covid-19, fact

 

Even if we count all the probable covid19 but not confirmed via testing deaths as covid19, we still have an extra 4,000 unexplained deaths in NYC over the last 6 weeks. In that time period we would normally see about 6,000 deaths. There have been 23,000 deaths. About 13,000 of those are confirmed or probable covid19 deaths. That leaves another 4,000 deaths of unknown cause, mostly people who died at home without receiving medical care.

To what do you attribute the extra 4,000 deaths of unknown cause over the last six weeks in NYC?

 

I give up.

Can't teach someone who doesn't care to learn.

 

A knew a guy once who lost 50 pounds in a year and the only thing he said he changed was taking the stairs instead of the elevator.

 

5G

 

Causes of death are declared by the doctor or coroner. Not by state officials, not even by hospital officials, it’s hardly some nationwide conspiracy. Were some of the probable deaths not covid? Possibly. But there are also others who have died, especially at nursing homes that were never counted in the numbers.
Overall, they are likely pretty accurate. Sorry it doesn’t jibe with what you want it to be.
But tilt at windmills, if you can’t accept it by now it’s not happening and I can spend my time more productively.

good luck.

 

Apparently, blood thickening is one of the symptoms of COVID-19. It has caused a few strokes, some in people with no risk factors for having a stroke.

Alarmed as COVID patients' blood thickened, New York doctors try new treatments

I'm starting to wonder what symptoms are NOT on the list for coronavirus.

 

Now you know how I've felt about you and others

 

In Pandemics, the usual coroner report is bypassed simply because they don't have the time. Given that hospitals know the difference between the flu and COVID-19, they are usually 95% correct. By now we know it's not likely the flu because the normal season ended in March. Also the flu kills about 0.1% of those that catch it. So maybe 1 or 2 people in NYC died of the flu as opposed to COVID-19 in the month of March and most likely none in April.

There are many questions about the possible thousands that have died at home that either never got tested or did but their symptoms weren't yet bad enough to go to the ER.

 

Pelosi is part of the Gang of Eight, which means she has way more access than the senators who sold all their stock the last week of February. She also could have asked, instead of engaging in reckless behavior and playing politics over a virus.

 

You think impeachedpotus picks up the phone at the multiple maga rallies or the golf courses in Feb.Mar. for Nancy?

 

I've been talking about the lack of testing since before the country shit down, pointing out that there are two systems that will work: test and isolate or draconian shut down. It was an observable issue. Tough to argue it is Monday morning quarterbacking when I've been talking about it since Friday.

The response was chaotic and, at the top end, completely focused on things like travel restrictions rather than response. When responses were brought up to him by cabinet-level folks early on, he either cut them off or dismissed them as "alarmist." The constant turnover and infighting fostered by his reality show leadership style resulted in chaos and there was nobody to correct early failings when he didn't want to listen. He appeared completely unaware of the fact that we didn't have a plan for testing when he toured the facility in early March, declared the CDC test "perfect" and told everybody that if they want a test, they could get a test. No way would you let that pass if Obama had done it, so why are you here?

A good outline of the chaos from the White House and where it interacted with the agency issues:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ronavirus-government-dysfunction/?arc404=true

 

Reckless behavior like having a rally a week later?

 

Biden and Sanders held rallies then too. I'm not sure what your point is. It's an election year and candidates were holding rallies. Pelosi didn't hold a rally.. she invited people to come to Chinatown as a big (middle finger) to the president. I hope she feels like it was worth it.

 

Neither Biden nor Sanders have access to the public health mechanisms. Trump does. So your defense is that one person directly told thousands of people to get into one building and that is better than saying that you should feel safe to go to a neighborhood in San Francisco, which doesn't have an abnormal amount of infection? Remember also that the person telling thousands of people to join him in a building did so a week later too...

 

What would you consider a metric on which you could be proven wrong? Because there is not a single metric on which this is comparable, so I will let you name the metric if you are actually interested in an intellectually honest discussion of this issue...

 

Someone posted a link to a NY Times analysis which plots a line along "normally expected deaths per month" (and this would INCLUDE deaths from the seasonal flu) vs. what has been going on. In all locations, you see a break where the COVID outbreak spikes the TOTAL death count straight up from the annualized trend (i.e. the "expected deaths").

It can't get any simpler then that. Finding the space between the red curve and the blue curve on these charts should get a pretty good estimate for the number of COVID deaths. It's basically just math (Total deaths - expected deaths = COVID deaths). Considering it's impossible to go back and test every single death, this type of analysis is probably what the experts are going to pull from. They might be able to drill down with better detail and a more scientific look, but it isn't likely to vary too drastically from that overly simple calculation.

25,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Crisis

 

Sorry if this was already posted. It's roughly 30 minutes, but you can listen to it doing other stuff. One of the things he touches on is the idea that testing demand varies by area ("enough in some areas, but not enough in other areas"). Talks about the importance of antibody testing. What ER docs do for ER patients coming in. Much more.

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