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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    just follow basic medicine and science. Don’t put new drugs in groups that are little to no risk that have not had the scrutiny to prove they are worth the risk. It’s not complicated.
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    Define "real danger," please. Or how about "little risk?" And who are you to determine just what real danger and little risk is for an entire population?

    Now I can define something. Lower risk. Which is something that lowers the risk of an undesired outcome. The definition of an undesired outcome when it comes to infectious diseases are things like hospital visits due to infection or worse, deaths. We all agree that with COVID, age increased risk, but that doesn't mean there was zero risk in all age groups, especially 12 and older, of undesired outcomes. And in these age groups, the risks were lowered with vaccination.

    You've seen the data that shows this to be true, but yet you still talk about vague little risk and real danger without defining what the hell they mean, and who gets to decide these things? Excuse me if I know that lower risk is better and your vague BS is exactly that, vague BS with no data behind it.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    I get you want to justify putting this shot in your kids. It should have never been authorized for them. You are smart enough to know why. Seriously! It’s basic medicine and science.
     
  4. AzCatFan

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    Basic medicine and science involves the scientific method, studies, numbers, outcomes, and more. And in every age group 12 and older, the vaccine lowers the risk of serious outcomes while only raising risks a minute amount, showing the benefits far outweigh the risks. It doesn't matter how low the original risk may be. As long as the vaccine lowers the overall risk value, taking it is good science.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    These shots should never been approved for anyone under 65 from the beginning based on basic medicine and science. Arguably they should have never been approved period now. The technology used was proven to be terrible for a virus. mRNA technology is fascinating and has a place. But for viral diseases like Covid. It had a major setback with Covid. Shoot. The area mRNA has great potential it isn’t among decades to just get there. And even there it is slow.

    You fell ironically for Trumps Warp Speed. Kind of funny how you still love the shot he pushed to market with the help of the idiots he listened to.

    Every single mRNA Covid shot that has come to market has been late for the predominant variant. Hence they don’t work other than to cause unnecessary inflammation. And since the vast vast majority of people had an archaic shot/covid/both (yeah as many people who took the original got delta lol)…it was completely a payout to Big Pharma for a drug that never should have been approved for anyone under 65.

    Time to stop living in fear my friend. You know you will get Covid. Again. Whether you take the shot or not…
     
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  6. AzCatFan

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    And the data that supports your position will be added to accepted scientific literature when? Because, if you want, I'm happy to post all the numbers, studies, and data that supports the fact that ages 12 and older, the vaccine reduced the risk of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    Thankfully most parents protected their young children. Sadly a lot did give their teenagers the shot. But thankfully doctors finally stepped in and stopped the madness. There is a reason basically no one is taking the shot anymore. Especially young people. It is truly evil the propaganda that has people still doing it…
     
  8. AzCatFan

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    So zero data to back up your claims other than anecdotal? Sorry, but real science requires the scientific method with observations, data, and results. And the real science shows the vaccine to reduce the risk for all over the age of 12.

    If you consider actual scientific data as propaganda, then you should look up the definition of Fascist.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    The data defines why the shot should never have been approved for those under 65. You keep lining big pharmas pocket if you want to ignore basic medicine and science. All while causing unnecessary inflammation
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    Show the data that supports your conclusions, please.
     
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  11. philnotfil

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    Fascinating to me that you can write this after posting data showing that the vaccine based on the alpha variant was still highly effective during delta.
     
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  12. QGator2414

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    Its all there for the beginning…
     
  13. QGator2414

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    LOL!

    Who died? Vaccinated or unvaccinated?

    The elderly with comorbidities.
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    I agree. The data is there. First, from the University of Minnesota study on teens and COVID vaccination:

    The researchers said their estimate of COVID VE in teens needs to take into account absolute case reductions, especially considering the low number of hospitalizations, even in unvaccinated adolescents.

    They note that vaccination prevented 3.5 to 6.2 COVID hospitalizations per 10,000 over 12 months, which for comparison is much lower than the 27.1 per 10,000 found in a Finnish study of children ages 6 weeks to 18 months who received the 10-valent pneumococcal vaccine.
    The risk for COVID hospitalizations is already low. But it's LOWER with vaccination!

    And you think the risk from the vaccine is worse? It's not.

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    This is what is called data that supports a position. You should try it some time!
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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  16. GatorJMDZ

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    Another article you misread. The vaccine won't be offered at Idaho district health offices, that's the extent of it. I need to schedule my booster, thanks for the reminder.