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Science - Covid will kill you if you walk unmasked through a restaurant. But if you sit down to eat you’re safe.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/03/05/german-man-covid-vaccine-217-shots/

German dude got vaccinated 217 times. He is totally fine and has above average immunity.

 

Masking was an attempt to mitigate spread of a new viral threat based on what was known at the time. The difference between a MAGAT and a rational human being is that the latter is able to take in new information and learn while the former is forever lost to propaganda and delusion.

 

Why are you prattling about Trump people ? It was Trump who elevated Fauci and Birx. It was Trump who rubber stamped lockdowns. It was Trump who “warp sped” the vaccines and claimed they saved millions of lives.

 

@oragator1 - this Monday, we hiked out to the Apostle Island ice caves on the south shore of Lake Superior. They are not so icy, since it's been a mild winter. Most years, the lake would be frozen at the start of March. One of these days we will kayak out to the actual islands, as there are some cool water caves out there.

 

Good outdoor reading …

Lockdowns Are a "Failed Experiment", Welsh First Minister Tells Covid Inquiry – The Daily Sceptic

 

LOL!

Every single idiot public health official/doctor who pushed masks knew 100% it was a farce. But they got you to believe it was an “attempt to mitigate spread”. They showed how easy it was to fool people if you actually believe this. The science was there. Sadly you fell for the few authoritarians BS…

 

Fauci was there long before Drumpf and Birx is a quack. States instituted lockdowns, not the feds. Operation Warp Speed provided funding to Moderna and a few others, but no Pfizer with the Pfizer product by far the most deployed. Facts matter.

 

So, so wrong! I have a PhD in chemistry and have worked in pharma for 27 years. Happy to debate any medical or scientific issue you like.

You provide a peer-reviewed reference supporting your quack viewpoint and we can discuss.

 

Here’s a fact: if you agreed with me that lockdowns were a devastating mistake you’d be happy to blame them on Trump.

Clue: Drumph

 

Lol. And another one. These always crack me up.

 

Go talk to 10 doctors working the front lines in a hospital. No politics. No bias. Just ask. Do masks works to slow community spread of airborne diseases.

With that said the evidence has been there for decades to show the evidence for masks working is very weak. It is not surprising. So many do not understand the main purpose of the mask. The crazy thing is even the N95 is really not that helpful in the grand scheme when it comes to community masking…



There is a reason Dr.Hardie’s 2016 article in the Oral Health Groups publication was censored in the middle of Covid. Censoring was one of the main ways they got people like you to fall for the idea this was about “an attempt to mitigate”. They knew. You are clearly smart enough to understand this. Are you willing to admit it?

https://highlanderjuan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/John-Hardie-Why-Face-Masks-Dont-Work.pdf

 

There is one thing Covid proved that we all knew already. Masking against community spread is a not science. It was a test about control and coercion.

It failed miserably as we knew it would. And now those that fell for it try to hide behind it was “an attempt to mitigate”. Own you were wrong and fell for the propaganda (from censoring to just flat lies).

 

This has now been posted three times in the last page, lol, but worth it to get a point across. No side effects at all after 217 shots? Surely his heart would have exploded by now from the vaccine based on all the science denying propaganda we hear on this board by some, lol.

Reminds me of the time that we had a pharmacy patient of ours that had gotten over 10 flu shots from different retail locations in order to get a free $10 gift card as a promotion Publix was running. Normally something like that would flag in drug utilization review, but our system wasn’t set up for flu shots to alert for something like that previously (it is now). Interestingly enough, they too were totally fine after multiple vaccines, lol. Seems pointless to drive miles and miles to multiple Publix locations just to get $10 when you spend way more than that on gas, but I digress. Lol.

 

I personally hated masking and stopped as soon as the local mandate was lifted.

That said, here's a good summary of relatively utility by a respected source. Not anecdotal from a few local docs like your reference.

Peer review is critical in considering a politically charged issue like masking.

 

I already commented on this. If true, good for him. Others have reportedly died from one shot.

Also, this guy, if he’s telling the truth, has nothing on me. I’m in commercial sales and at the height of pan-panic I had shared breathing/spitting space with literally hundreds of people I didn’t know.

And I never got sick.

 

The two sources I posted are a left leaning doc from California and a dentist from Canada lol.

Go ask any doctor what they learned in medical school. Seriously. Masks were a joke. Like you. I wore it if the establishment required it and I needed to patronize it. Typically the bank for me. But if I did not need to patronize the business and the situation dictated. I politely just left and went to a business with common sense. While surly a franchise. I went to buy our staff coffee and $100 in gift card from Dunkin in the middle of the madness. Three of us “12 feet” apart (lol another made up joke) and was asked to put a mask on. I just politely declined and drove to Starbucks. That location also asked me to put a mask on. I politely declined and went to Symmetry and gave them my business.

I know you understand the mask was a joke just like social distancing. It was not about hating the “mask”. It was the reality we knew it did not work! And I am confident you know this. Not sure you will admit it.

 

I’m an outlier in this discussion. Unlike your other disputants, I want pit my study against your study. I contend that the debate is a waste of time as there is no evidence of anything to mask for.

 

Good time for one of my favorite small studies done to represent the insanity at Stanford…

“In April of this year, I witnessed something on the Stanford campus that will be seared into my memory forever: a student on a bicycle, wearing flip-flops, AirPods in ear, going the wrong way through a roundabout in an active construction zone, with no helmet. But like any good follower of science, the student was wearing a disposable blue face mask -- for safety, I guess.

I think this anecdote is instructive in understanding the social dynamics that have emerged in the COVID-19 pandemic. Seemingly intelligent and well-rounded people (Stanford students, for example) have adopted bizarre, pointless habits to comport with new expectations about how to "stay safe" -- like wearing masks outdoors -- all while continuing in much more risky behaviors. This is not to say that riding a bicycle without a helmet is *especially* risky, or that I believe helmets should be mandated (they shouldn’t). But it’s absolutely a bigger risk than COVID-19 for a vaccinated twenty-something. …”

Review Analysis: Stanford students are more likely to wear masks on bicycles than helmets

Appreciate your discussion on this as well. Most just jump on their bias. If you can show me any evidence masks work against community spread of an airborne disease that outweighs the history of evidence we have. It needs to be studied. But history has shown masks are nothing but fodder when it comes to the community spread of an airborne disease like Covid.

 

I agree from the position you are arguing. But wearing a mask in certain circumstances is something that should be done. Just not for a disease like Covid. But they do have a purpose…