Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

You are smart enough to understand the point I have been making from the first post on it. You know full well that our peer nations have halted the vaccine for the vast majority of their population and do not recommend it for most.

They continue to follow Ladapo's lead for sure though!

 

I am smart enough to realize that you have purposefully said multiple untrue things. You didn't think your point was made strongly enough by facts, so you stated things that weren't true (e.g., that the UK only recommends "some people" over 65 from taking it, that most countries only recommend people over 65 take the vaccine, etc.). That is called lying. And you have done it here today. I understand the point you are trying to make. But I also understand that you are using lying as a method to make that point.

You may not appreciate that observation, but it is the truth. Next time, if you want to make a point, stick to things that are true.

 

Meanwhile while number of hospitalizations are down YOY, they are recently heading in the wrong direction. And there are still 1,400 people a day dying from COVID. And as Dr. William Schaffner, an Infectious Disease Specialist at Vanderbilt says:

“When you get so much transmission throughout the general population, the virus will find the more fragile people, the people who are not vaccinated with the latest updated vaccine … those people are at the higher risk and are more likely to require hospitalization.”
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But what does Dr. Schaffner know? He only got his undergrad degree from Yale, graduated from Cornell Medical, and has been practicing medicine for decades. His medical knowledge pales in comparison to anyone with an engineering degree from Florida who works at a dental office!

 

Just to peruse my Twitter thread, lots and lots of people believe this …

A uniquely pernicious pathogen, called Covid, emerged in 2019 and has continued to blow across the land in unrelenting waves for over four years from now.

It’s not stopping. There’s no indication that it will ever stop. And the only reason it seemed to abate was that we were wearing masks and vaccinating observantly and seems to be back because we’ve taken our eye off the ball.

Even if you believe in viruses this does not accord with even the worst so-called pandemics of the past.

 

LOL!

You live a make believe world for sure.

 

You just make stuff up, Q.

The worldwide data for the vaccines show they are remarkably safe and effective and no worldwide health agency disagrees with that assessment. With billions of people treated, the databases are getting to the point that subsets of populations, like pregnancy, less than 5 yo, race, gender, etc can be closely evaluated for safety signals. This is what public health agencies do, use real world data to advise the public based on current conditions and risk to benefit, and the CDC is considered the global leader in public health. This is not to say there aren't risks, there are, but they are weighed in relation to benefit, like any other medication, and guidance is provided.

Ladapo has access to the same information, and chose to present a made-up, non-existent safety issue instead of citing the actual safety/efficacy data. This undermines any credibility he may have as a public health official, because again, he is either blindingly ignorant as a health professional and therefore dangerous in his position, or is a political messenger. No legitimate health agency is following him.

 

More than 14,000 drug recalls over the last ten years. Presumably, all were once approved as “safe and effective.”

 

No. You see public health (outside the cdc and Australia) has followed Ladapo through time if you look at guidance. They may disagree and think they are not as dangerous as Ladapo. But they clearly see he had the risk harm correct. He has been ahead of the game the entire time.

Instead of reading left wing sites that spew nonsense. I would go look at his guidance and reasoning behind it. I would not expect you to agree 100% with it. As there is always nuance in health care. But you will see he has been one of the best at guiding through this.

 

Prove it. Post the data that shows you are correct and he is the one living in a make believe world.

Currently all the data disagrees with you and agrees with him, but there could be data out there that supports your claims. Show us the data.

 

LOL!

You go look at the guidance from our peer nations. None (sorry basically as I don’t want md to play his/her stupid game of absolutes to distract from reality and the point being made on a message board) of them are recommending people under 65 (some use 60) take the covid shots.

Ladapo was there a while ago. Our peer Nations joined him. A while ago. He has now moved to no one should take it. And I suspect most of our peer nations will not be far behind.

The good news is most of the world has stopped taking the shot anyways as a whole (again…don’t want md playing his/her stupid game of absolutes to distract from the point).

 

You provided two examples (UK and Denmark). Both suggest many people under the age of 65 should take the shot. Do you think saying untrue things many times makes them more true?

Again, your own examples aren't backing your point. I'm not having to find examples, because you aren't accurately stating the position of your own examples.

 

You haven't posted links to the guidance you are claiming supports your claims. When others have looked up the guidance by other countries they found that your descriptions of what the guidance contained were incorrect.

Why would anyone take your word on something when you have so often been shown to be lying to us?

 

No. They recommend a minority take the shot. Older people and certain people with certain medical conditions. Go look at the rest of Europe. All of them are basically the same.

Good grief that should keep you from the childlike absolute to distract from the point.

 

Getting a COVID-19 vaccine

Current rules and recommendations

Current information on coronavirus vaccination

https://en.coronasmitte.dk/

COVID-19 Reminder Campaign Open to All

COVID-19: Vaccination

Go look the rest up yourself. Basically over 65 and those with at risk medical conditions.

Only the idiots at the cdc in this country are stupid enough to recommend healthy young people (the majority of the population) take these shots.

The good news is very few people are taking the shots now!

 

Yes, the stuff after the "and" is why what you said was false. Pointing out your falsehoods isn't the problem here. Your falsehoods are.

 

LOL you are a piece of work with your circle jerk! Cute though!

 

I suggest that you not continue to lie (and, also, learn what the words you use mean). Good luck with that.

 

I think all this talk about the “data” is bs. I have a close acquaintance (democrat) who I’ve known for almost 50 years. They have worked for the government for over 20 years and are one of the top medical data persons in their field.
Around May-June of 2020, they told me that the medical data they were looking at did not match what we were being told. They maintain this stanch today.

 

Ding ding ding. You can’t say this though. It is why it is and was so hard to navigate this things. This is why you had to look at everything with a grain of salt and do your best to make decisions from there. Not only was the data manipulated. But our system was not great for obtaining good data as well.

The hospitalization numbers have been nothing but a fear campaign to this day (the number of hospitalizations “for” Covid compared to “with” Covid would be jaw dropping if we actually sorted that out instead of just spew hospitalizations are on the rise. The testing was done to create fear. But they were able to control a lot of people by creating garbage “studies”.

The attempt to censor doctors with a differing view was something I had never seen. Another part of the equation when trying to make decisions on what most likely is happening.