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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gators81

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    Why do I have to define a word I didn’t use? I didn’t quantify it because I don’t know the number, but I do know what I was doing prior to Covid. I work for a Fortune 500 company, not a startup that just hit the scene to exploit the vaccinated.

    Besides, your tweet says “never” as in none. I promise it was a number greater than zero or we’d have a pretty shitty business model.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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    Okay, maybe one or two then ? When do you remember seeing posters like this normalizing kid heart attacks ? It was highly abnormal until recently.
     
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  3. gators81

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    At work, in our marketing materials, because they happened in greater numbers than 1 or 2, thought I said that already. Again, are we talking heart attacks or sudden cardiac arrest? Your tweet confuses the two, and it seems you’re confused as well. They’re not the same.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    I’m not the least bit confused about excess mortality young and old alike.
     
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  5. gators81

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    Did you validate that tweet before posting it? That person doesn’t know the difference between sudden cardiac arrest and heart attacks. He’s also completely wrong about it having never happened. But, “trust me bro”, I like what it says, accuracy be damned!
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    Of course it happened before. The technical category: once in a blue moon.

    Reminder: I’m centering on the normalization of kid cardiac events.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    No one wants to even discuss SMI. The on size fits all approach group know it is a real concern. They don’t want to ask the question…
     
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  8. gators81

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    Yet different cardiac events are caused by and a result of different things. A heart attack is not the same as sudden cardiac arrest, so if they’re different, it’s highly unlikely they’d both be caused by the same thing.

    You’ve also moved the goal posts from, never in my 67 years, to once or twice, to once in a blue moon. Which once in a blue moon isn’t a quantifiable amount, so what’s that even mean? It means, because you said so? You’re posting flat out lies like heart attacks have never happened and expect to get people on board with your fight? C’mon man, you can do better than that, right?
     
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  9. gators81

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    Considering nearly the entire population has had a strain of Covid at this point, how could you even do a study to determine if it’s Covid or the vaccine causing inflammation? There isn’t a group available of vaccinated/no Covid to study. I’m still in the camp that believes because everyone has had Covid, Covid is causing more problems long term than the vaccine. At the same time I’m also thinking if you’ve had Covid and been vaccinated additional boosters aren’t worth much, if anything if you’re not high risk.
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    This study looked at kids who had a cardiac arrest and then received CPR. Though published recently, it looked at data between 2016 and 2018. First line of the study is an estimated 20,000 kids in the US have a cardiac arrest in the US annually.

    Anyone have any proof the number has jumped significantly recently over 20k? And what causes more, infection or vaccine? Let's see some hard data, please.
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    Both cause inflammation. And we decided to push unnecessary inflammation onto a groups that were going to get Covid regardless of whether they took the shot. Groups that were at no real risk. It was the antithesis of medicine. And we harmed millions in the process likely.

    But I agree with your point. It was the brilliance of big pharma and the idiots in public health that went with the one size fits all approach instead of following the data and running trials in low risk groups. Push it on everyone. It does not matter as the shot does not protect you from infection at all. Now there are no controls. And who cares that we harmed millions silently. The propaganda worked…
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    You believe a flat out lie (Covid) which reaction killed multitudes. And you’re twisted about a little hyperbole in a tweet (while glossing over the major point).
     
  13. gators81

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    The major point is built on a lie and a misunderstanding of medical terms, thus 100% invalid and useless, so yeah.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    “plenty” vs multitudes.
     
  15. mutz87

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    I think your theory has some problems, even if I get your concern.

    The rate of myocarditis from covid is upwards of 40x that of vaccines, even if in both, myocarditis is rare. Another way to think of it, vaccines lower the risk of myocarditis relative to getting infected.

    Myocarditis, like other effects of infectious disease, can be considerably worse from the infection. Covid can not only do a lot of damage to the heart but other organs such as the lungs and kidneys, and to the immune system. Nature of disease.

    Although you mentioned that the study was pre-covid, it was of older adults (avg age >65), who are far more likely to have heart problems given their age and that heart disease is the leading cause of death among older folk.

    Not germane to the topic, but what seems interesting to me was the N=3,122 for no prior diagnosis of coronary artery disease was nearly 2.5x the number of excluded cases (N=1,270) in which there was a prior CAD diagnosis. This wasn't what the researchers were comparing since they were interested in those with no known CAD. However, if the cases were drawn at random, it seems worth mentioning here given how many more died w/o a prior CAD diagnosis than those who had one.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    “The rate of myocarditis from Covid” another one of those meaningless terms like R0, vaccine efficacy and the like.
     
  17. QGator2414

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    I am not even talking myocarditis. I am talking SMI. Two completely different things.

    And with that…the shot does nothing to prevent infection. You are going to get Covid. And we know (knew) the risk profile of the disease going back to the beginning.
     
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  18. mutz87

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    Okay. How do you make this massive inferential leap to SMI? Myocardial infarction is an even rarer adverse outcome from vaccines than is myocarditis, but similarly is much less likely to occur from vaccination than it is from covid.

    Vaccines are effective in preventing severe illness and death from that severe illness caused by covid, which includes reducing the likelihood of mycarditis & myocardial infarction.
     
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  19. QGator2414

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    Silent Heart Attacks are thought to be a majority of heart attacks. My jaw dropped as I read about it in The Heart Attack Gene by Bale and Doneen. Then you look at the symptoms. Might be why we actually saw so many people miss work after taking these shots back in 2021 (something the flu shot does not do).

    So yeah. We told people it was just their body working while the symptoms have all sorts of similarities to SMI. A common symptom of the flu shot is not 24-48 hours of flu like symptoms.

    Which by the way. I highly recommend reading the book The Heart Attack Gene. It is kind of scary how antiquated our health care is when it comes to heart disease!
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    The flu vaccine has the exact same side effects. Just at a slightly lower rate than the COVID vaccine. The Shingrix vaccine has the exact same symptoms too, and at a higher rate than the COVID vaccine. Your statement is utter BS, and dangerous as hell.
     
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