Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

There are quite a few people, not just on the right, who have been critical of the messaging from public health officials. I think how people are treating and misconstruing what Offit says is an example of why most public health officials try to keep it simple, because people get confused by scientific nuance when presented by people like Offit.

For the people quoting Offit as evidence against a shot (I don’t see those posts they are all on ignore) those same people seem to ignore all the instances where Offit recommends vaccines and criticizes anti vaxxers.

According to Offit, me at 60, with a July infection and prior boosted probably doesn’t need the shot. I trust Offit just about more than anybody. Having said that I’ll still probably get the shot sometime this fall. Same with RSV shot. At 60 I fall into the recommended group, but otherwise being healthy, Offit seemed to think is was only modestly beneficial in that condition and my GP said I can probably wait. But I’ll probably do it anyway.

 

The data from England that QGator posted also agrees with this. No significant difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated when looking at non-covid deaths, but the vaccinated are much less likely to die of covid than the unvaccinated.

 

Offit recommend his son not take the original booster. That was a while ago. And he is certainly more just take the vaccine as a pediatrician. That is just reality. Nothing wrong with that. Most pediatricians are going to be take a vaccine as they don’t treat adults. I certainly disagreed with him originally on Covid shots. But he is a perfect example of the middle. It took him longer to realize the situation. And understandable to a point (being a pediatrician).

And the now the loons are the ones still pushing these shots. I feel for those still taking them. As they have been propagandized!!!

 

“With” is it the same as “Of” or “From”!

Do not fall for the propaganda!!!!

We know who is at risk from Covid. Don’t inflame your body unnecessarily!!!

 

Since we really have never tested for RSV in that population it is purely a guess on how many hospitalizations are due to RSV in that group.
Show me 10k death certificates showing RSV as the cause of death, but you do you.
And this comes from someone who actually ran the pfizer RSV vaccine trial….

 

Exhibit A the CDC recommends the booster for all ages. The CDC was worried people would read or hear "Dr. Offit" and "does not recommend" and think that meant all pediatric COVID vaccines. But that's simply not true. Here's Dr. Offit's paper on the safety of the vaccine for 5 - 11 with a high reccomendation.

What Dr. Offit is saying about the new booster is fully vaccinated kids with an infection are safe enough. Their immune system doesn't need a boost. But if your kid isn't vaccinated, Dr. Offit would encourage you to get it done.

 

LOL!

Dr. Offit would not recommend I take the shot now. There is a reason he recommended his son not take the first booster (his son is surly older than your kids).

Please do not harm your kids and give them another one of these shots!

 

Mortality Associated With Influenza and Respiratory Syncytial Virus in the United States

Estimates of mortality attributable to influenza and RSV in the United States during 1997-2009 by influenza type or subtype, age, cause of death, and risk status - PubMed

Respiratory Syncytial Virus Seasonality — United States, 2014–2017

Estimated incidence of respiratory hospitalizations attributable to RSV infections across age and socioeconomic groups - PubMed

 

I'm sure we all have something that we could criticize about messaging. My issue is trying to make sense of things despite the cacophony of experts and pseudo experts and every nutjob and non-nutjob weighing in, especially early on. So to an extent, I am sympathetic of the massive challenge public health officials faced.

Offit is a voice I think people should take seriously. But even if he were to rec that you didn't need another vaxx considering you're fully vaxxed and have immunity through infection, there is nothing wrong with you getting another one.

I've been vaxxed 4x but not in the past year. For awhile, I was hedging my bets given the vast improvement in my health. I will probably get one sometime soon, but it depends on what my doc thinks.

Also, nothing wrong per se in the CDC reccing vaxx despite some disagreement from Offit and some others. I think their disagreement is reasoned. However, as Offit also understands clearly, a primary duty of govt is to protect the public. If they err on the side of being overly cautious to limit serious sickness and death, well so be it, imo. As Offit said, boosters for young or healthy are low risk (but also low reward).

 

Can't know what he might rec to you as an individual, but Offit has argued that people who were covid positive should get vaccinated after some months when immunity has likely waned. This is in line with what experts have argued. It's low risk, which is also why public health officials will continue to rec them.

Flip side, they stopped reccing J&J's vaccine and stopped making it available. There were at least 9 deaths and dozens of documented serious issues. So, while "big pharma" has its issues, you've long discounted the dangers of from the pandemic spread of covid. The other option, which was faiap do nothing but "try to isolate" the vulnerable makes no sense given that pandemic spread and is almost a 100% certainty that not making vaccines available and not taking various measures to limit that spread would have led to far more illness & deaths than we experienced.

FWIW, my guess is that his son is fully vaxxed. His position assumes full vaxx for why young/healthy don't need "another" not that they shouldn't get vaxxed at all.

 

^ There is no danger of spread* from a fictitious pathogen. It’s what makes injuring and killing people, with ‘vaccines’, so darkly silly.

*the only thing that ever spread, gave the appearance of a pandemic, was manic testing. As of Summer 2020 Americans were testing two-million times a day. Mass-derangement.

 

I would assume his son took the primary series. But even Offit advised no on the first booster to his son long ago….

 

I did RSV, Flu and Covid (#6) at CVS today. $0 out of pocket. RSV in right arm, Flu and Covid in left.

Update: Vaccines at 5 p.m yesterday. Woke up at 6 a.m., in court by 8 a.m., back at the office by 10 and working a full day.

Right arm slightly tender if pressed, left arm slight discomfort.

 

Estimates……
I’m saying when I worked in the ER for 2 decades we never checked anyone over like 5 years of age. So it’s really just a guess.
Even the guidance doesn’t say everyone of 65 needs it. It’s a minimal issue.

Then there is the risk of GBS (not a minor thing).

 

I apologize. This is a parody thread? Yes? English is not my first language so sometimes we do not understand your sarcasm.

 

I have a former teammate who contracted GBS from a flu vaccine, per his physician. He was bedridden for nearly a year. And a Facebook friend of mine contracted GBS from her Pfizer, per her physician.

 

I wish, but sadly, unprecedented mass-derangement and crimes against humanity really did occur.

 

No, virology is not science. It functions and holds itself together like a religion …

“Meticulously, the priests and their researcher acolytes record their observations and feed their hungry analysing machines with data. But the question remains, who is this God they ostensibly slave for called “Science,” how did it originate, and are its virologist priests faithful to its spirit and precepts? Or do they, like so many religious leaders of past and present, simply mouth worn out phrases and extol their religion’s altruistic ideals with no intention of letting these obstruct the well-established rituals and creeds of their mystical cult, or weigh upon their consciences?”

—Is Virology Science, by Tobin Owl

 

Maybe I'm missing something or Pinsky confused the journal. I went to Circulation but could not find any studies on myocarditis and vaccines that came out "just the other day." Maybe you can find the article?