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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    Really interesting interview on Covid and other diseases

    Opinion | We Should Have Known So Much About Covid from the Start

    Also, an explanation as to why Covid acts differently as to reinfections and vaccines (as I’ve posted in here perhaps a dozen times)


    And with Covid, we’re getting infected frequently. But there is also a very basic difference between a disease like Covid and a disease like measles or chickenpox. For measles or chickenpox to cause a symptomatic infection, it has to be brought into the body, through the upper respiratory tract and the lungs, into the bloodstream and the lymph. It doesn’t really even start replicating until it gets that deep into the body. And if it doesn’t get that deep, it doesn’t replicate. With a disease like that, our T-cells and B-cells, which were created during past exposure or by vaccination, typically stop the virus early enough that no replication happens and we don’t even notice it.


    With Covid, when it infects you, it can land in your upper respiratory tract and it just start replicating right there. Immediately, it’s present and replicating in your lungs and in your nose. And that alone elicits enough of an immune response to cause us to feel really crappy and even cause us to feel disease. But it’s why we don’t see the severe disease as much, with a second exposure or an exposure after vaccination: For most people, it’s not getting into the heart and the liver and stuff nearly as easily. But it doesn’t have to. It’s still causing symptomatic disease. And maybe mucosal vaccines could stop this, but without them we’re likely to continue seeing infections and even symptomatic infections.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    ^ Pure poppycock. Sheer panic emerged from an eye doctor’s excited tweets, in Wuhan, regarding a handful of pneumonia cases in one of the most polluted cities in the world.

    There was no new disease. No unique symptoms. No remarkable autopsies. Simply a cash bonanza waiting for a ‘pandemic.’
     
  3. duggers_dad

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  4. QGator2414

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    This is a CYA opinion for causing unnecessary generational damage.
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    Honestly, some posters seem to have a man-crush on ‘Covid.’
     
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  6. flgator2

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    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist files a $40M lawsuit against insurance company - A Sea Of Blue

    Former Kentucky Wildcats forward and NCAA National Champion Michael Kidd-Gilchrist has filed a lawsuit against a health insurance company due to them denying his claim after he was diagnosed with Myocarditis due to him getting COVID-19 twice, according to the lawsuit.

    Since being diagnosed with Myocarditis and his insurance company denying his claim, Kidd-Gilchrist has filed a $40 million lawsuit against Lloyd’s of London, which is an insurance company.

    Kidd-Gilchrist made the claim because of “permanent total disablement arising from a sickness,” according to attorney Jason Morrin. Per the policy, the company provided coverage if Kidd-Gilchrist couldn’t continue “his occupation as a professional basketball player.” However, he said the company wouldn’t “fully insure the damage caused by the loss for which the plaintiff sought coverage.”

    Kidd-Gilchrist was diagnosed with Myocarditis in December of 2021 and still has shown signs of the heart condition in June of 2023 when he was last examined.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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  8. mutz87

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    What your example suggests is that covid is not "just a flu"

    FWIW, people are 7x more likely to develop myocarditis from covid than from vaccines, which also tends to be more damaging due to the effects of the virus.
     
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  9. mutz87

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    I don't have a problem with academics taking to blogs and social media. Started long before covid and occurs in every discipline (I have for decades). For some, it's a sense of duty to the public, for others it's to spout off or make a name for themselves. But the extreme chaos of the pandemic created a cottage industry of academic types and pseudo experts. Some have been trading on having letters behind their names to give them perceived authority, quite a few veering outside their lane of expertise if they even have any. Some found *fame* among denialists & antivaxxers in popular media & social media, but have done little more than comment publicly & don't engage in any relevant scholarship (many can't because they have no particular expertise about covid, virology, immunology etc.).

    Hoeg has a phd in epidemiology and an md & seems to have carved out a niche in being an "academic physician" but with no apparent research in epidemiology or virology etc. Her expertise seems to be in bone health among ultra distance runners. Her "covid" publications are all popular or social media, or in this case a reply in a journal, which in case anyone is wondering, is not a peer reviewed study.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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  13. mutz87

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    You can laugh, but I think you posted this story because you thought he developed myocarditis from the vaccine, not from covid.

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    From a different article...
    It remains that covid is far more likely to cause myocarditis than any vaccine (though to be fair, both are extremely rare). Same time, covid is also likely to be more damaging...well because novel infectious virus have that ability.
     
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  14. flgator2

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    So what you're saying is getting the vaccine won't prevent you from getting covid nor myocarditis. I wonder how many of those who took the jab got myocarditis compared to those who were smart and didn't take the fake vaccine
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    About right …

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  17. QGator2414

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    This is perfect. We have so many here on too hot lining up to still take the shot. Well most won’t take the shot but will act like you should. Even though they know you should not and rightly themselves…will not take it (we have a few still part of the 5-7%).
     
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  19. mutz87

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    What I'm saying is that getting vaxxed significantly decreases your likelihood of getting extremely sick or dying from covid. Data are clear about this.

    I'm also saying what was clear from the reporting--Gilchrist got covid 2x by Dec 2020 and developed a severe case of myocarditis from being infected that he still suffers from today and now can no longer play ball.

    I'm also saying that studies have found a seven fold increase in myocarditis from covid compared to mrna vaccines.

    I'm now also saying that there's nothing at all smart about not getting vaccinated. It's an inexcusable lack of understanding about infectious disease and vaccinations.
     
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  20. GatorJMDZ

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    Hang in there, 95, they're working on a cure. Just hope you're not too stubborn to get the "jab."