Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Me: “Excess deaths staggeringly high, among 25-44, in a number of highly vaccinated countries.”

This forum: “Trump!”

 

Trump is a relevant to the Nobel Prize in medicine as is Hitler's selection as the Man of the Year. Both are way off-topic. I have to confess to falling for the troll.

As far as the first statement is concerned please provide a link and adding even if accurate the excess death rate can be caused by a number of factors unrelated to either Covid or the vax as you seem to be implying.

 

and the tech is now being used for cancer vaccines which was the original goal of the researchers before covid popped up and made them wealthy

An mRNA vaccine to treat pancreatic cancer | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

An NIH-funded research team led by Dr. Vinod Balachandran from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (MSKCC) have been developing a personalized mRNA cancer-treatment vaccine approach. It is designed to help immune cells recognize specific neoantigens on patients’ pancreatic cancer cells. Results from a small clinical trial of their experimental treatment were published on May 10, 2023, in Nature.

After surgery to remove PDAC, the team sent tumor samples from 19 people to partners at BioNTech, the company that produced one of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. BioNTech performed gene sequencing on the tumors to find proteins that might trigger an immune response. They then used that information to create a personalized mRNA vaccine for each patient. Each vaccine targeted up to 20 neoantigens. Customized vaccines were successfully created for 18 of the 19 study participants. The process, from surgery to delivery of the first dose of the vaccine, took an average of about nine weeks.

All patients received a drug called atezolizumab before vaccination. This drug, called an immune checkpoint inhibitor, prevents cancer cells from suppressing the immune system. The vaccine was then given in nine doses over several months. After the first eight doses, study participants also started standard chemotherapy drugs for PDAC, followed by a ninth booster dose. Sixteen volunteers stayed healthy enough to receive at least some of the vaccine doses. In half these patients, the vaccines activated powerful immune cells, called T cells, that could recognize the pancreatic cancer specific to the patient. To track the T cells made after vaccination, the research team developed a novel computational strategy with the lab of Dr. Benjamin Greenbaum at MSKCC. Their analysis showed that T cells that recognized the neoantigens were not found in the blood before vaccination. Among the eight patients with strong immune responses, half had T cells target more than one vaccine neoantigen.

By a year and a half after treatment, the cancer had not returned in any of the people who had a strong T cell response to the vaccine. In contrast, among those whose immune systems didn’t respond to the vaccine, the cancer recurred within an average of just over a year. In one patient with a strong response, T cells produced by the vaccine even appeared to eliminate a small tumor that had spread to the liver. These results suggest that the T cells activated by the vaccines kept the pancreatic cancers in check.

 

It would be like smashing my head against a brick wall because correlation is only allowed to go one way. To illustrate, in 2020 excess deaths were evidence of a uniquely pernicious killer plague, whereas current excess mortality can in no way be blamed on the vaccine because reasons.

 

He doesn't seem to understand what the "excess" in excess deaths means, besides also making numerous fallacious arguments.

I put him back on ignore for awhile. It's a "never argue with a fool" thing.

The CDC and other entities (e.g. WHO and other CDCs) measure excess death when trying to capture the full effects of a new pandemic spread of disease such as covid. First a baseline or expected number of deaths has to be determined in order to determine how many deaths occurred in excess of that baseline.

CDC excess mortality data sought only to capture excess mortality from disease (not other causes like injuries etc.), both including & excluding covid. The thinking being that spikes in other diseases that would be "in excess" compared to previous years are in a sense indirectly a result of this new pathogen or pandemic spread of it.

Before I put dream back on ignore, I saw that he responded to you claiming that excess deaths were due to covid (as the CDC has found) but then he falsely and dishonestly follows it up saying that others say current excess deaths "can't be due to vaccines." Thing is, no one is saying that (strawman arguments are another of his rhetorical tricks). What the data show about vaccines and thus about excess mortality is that people aren't dying from the vaccine. There were a few, but nothing that has any effect on excess mortality rates in the aggregate.

Most reasonable people understand this--some here petulantly refuse to.

 

I don't know jax, your reasoning seems kind of bonkers to me. Maybe that would be how folks on the right think, but that is not at all what happened on the left, other than anti-vaxxers on the fringe left but they were antivax from the start.

 

Why would he say he has me on the back foot and then scurry down his hole again ? In any case, he’s gone Tourette’s on excess mortality. All it means is more deaths than might have been expected, given five year trends (generally) while also allowing for population growth. It’s been WAY up since 2020 and still has not returned to baseline.

 

It was pretty prevalent before the election. That shocked me. It didn't shock me when it flipped after the Election.

 

Also from the start it’s pretty clear who was most reticent to change their lives/behavior for the benefit of others during a pandemic - whether it was things closing, social distancing or wearing masks - most of the opposition was coming from the right. So not wanting to take a vaccine dovetails nicely with that sort of selfishness that was already on display whereas taking the vaccine is right in line with democrats’ actions during the pandemic leading up to the election. So I think there would have been far less resistance to a vaccine from the left had Trump won. Some I’m sure. But nothing like the idiocy we are seeing now from the GOP.

 

Oh the ignorance is bliss!

Want to know how to protect others. Be healthy and when you’re sick stay home.

Instead we told people a shot would prevent them from getting Covid that was designed for an archaic variant. And had millions of people go out in public thinking they had allergies or the sniffles.

How many boosters and how many times have you had Covid lol?

 

Why aren’t Covidians wracked with guilt about the innumerable number of grandmas they may have killed, over decades of flu seasons, for not wearing masks at that time and generally not keeping their distance ?

 

They are propagandized into believing that if you did not take the shot you somehow automatically had covid at all times and were spreading it to others. Same reason they have booster after booster and multiple covid infections in many circumstances...

It was ignorance at epic proportions!

 

One poster claimed the meme was off base, that we have videos of little viruses swimming around and attacking cells, LOL …

 

Great breakdown of how incredibly stupid it was to vaccinate healthy male teens. Some people will parrot garbage cdc "studies", but the data is clear.

Post-vaccination vs post covid myo/pericarditis in adolescents and young adults: Why & how the CDC just keeps getting it wrong

we published the first study to suggest for healthy males ages 12-17 the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine carried a higher risk of associated myocarditis than their chance of COVID-19 hospitalization over the next 120 days when incidental hospitalizations were removed. This has been validated now over and over, and eventually published in the peer reviewed journal EJCI.


CDC eventually acknowledged in Lancet Child & Adolescent Health the harms of myocarditis were worse than they had expected and that of course the safety signal was real. Prospective data (active surveillance) from Hong Kong put the risk at 1/2700 dose 2 Pfizer vaccines in 13-18 year old males, all of whom were hospitalized. This was over twice as high as we had estimated from VAERS in our preprint.

 

No reason to cite the CDC study. Large European study published in the Lancet shows the rate of MIS-C from infection being significantly higher than the rate from vaccination. And as the study concludes, the benefits outweigh the risks.

Now, you ask how can the Lancet publish both studies? Because the first one was a preliminary study based on VAERS data, which is notoriously unreliable when it comes to accuracy. The second study was far more extensive using actual cases, not just reported cases.

I usually don't attack sources, but one does have to wonder why the good Dr. Hoeg is publishing on her own blog, versus scientific journals? Well, it doesn't take a lot of digging to figure out why. She has been publishing rebuttals to the journal articles, and several of her colleagues published a response in the BMJ thanking Dr. Hoeg for her contributions, but then taking her arguments down one by one in a very scientific manner. The article explains how Dr. Hoeg is mis-using or misattributing data to support her conclusions, and the actual data doesn't support her at all.

 

Head Grifter can't stomach being proven wrong yet again. Charlatan gonna charlatan. Oops.

 

Ignoramuses fall for scientists who can't get published in scientific journals because the scientists says what they want to hear, instead of following the actual data again. Who is the charlatan? The person who follows the data, or the one who only believes in what they want to hear? The answer is clear.

 

Grifters overlook that the same scientist has had numerous studies published in scientific journals. And anyone listening to someone who was for lockdowns, school closures, masks, against natural immunity and for vaxxing healthy kids is beyond dumb. Can't fix stupid.

 

In terms of incriminations, regarding roles played in ‘viral spread’, the shoe is MANIFESTLY on the other foot.

It is rather those who embraces idiocy and enforced it, if only through ridicule and shaming, who bear their share responsibility for the human catastrophe that accrued from mass-derangement.

 

But little tyrants want to mandate it, for reasons …