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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    We killed millions/caused generational mental health issues/destroyed lives/put millions into extreme poverty across the world/and more with the ridiculous lockdowns. Focused protection was the answer. It is why Florida got it more right than most. We still screwed up by shutting down for 7 weeks (right around there). It was stupid. We shut down beaches. DeSantis was wrong there. But he realized it was wrong because he actually looked at the data from Italy/Diamond Princess/New York/etc.

    The real evil thing that you refuse to accept. Is that if we focused on treatment (could have been cheap with drugs known to be safe along with new drugs like monoclonals) just as much as we did on the shot...we would have saved more lives.
     
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  2. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    I am pretty confident his cat will get him there one day...:)
     
  3. Orange_and_Bluke

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    First time checking in on this thread in months….
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  4. gator95

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    Anyone can grab an article or a small study showing something they want. Schools DIDN'T cause covid to spread more than the community at large. Simple as that. I can post article and study after study showing this.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

    Florida Schools Reopened Without Becoming Covid-19 Superspreaders

    Q&A: Does COVID-19 spread in schools? | Imperial News | Imperial College London

    Wisconsin study finds COVID spread in schools low
     
  5. QGator2414

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    You have fallen for the number one play by big pharma. They scare you into taking a drug under one premise for an endpoint. Then change it once the drug fails miserably. This drug was sold as the smoking gun that would prevent you from getting covid. Biden said as much. They figured three months of studies was enough to prove if flat worked. Now it is you might get 3 months of "protection" with drug designed for a variant that is almost extinct lol. I have heard the stories of so many on here say how bad they had covid but it would have been worse if they had not gotten the shot. That is pure BS and conjecture. I can say I presumably had covid and it was less than a cold and I did not get the shot. So my body did better without the unnecessary inflammation to fight a spike protein that was extinct at the time.

    Basically everyone has had covid at this point. Vaccinated or unvaccinated. These drugs are pointless now. I can get to why they were EUA for high risk groups in the beginning. Low risk groups never made sense. But they were selling a lie and pushed them on the low risk groups instead of being focused on treatments and ways to better study these new drugs (big pharma/they did not want to have to run good solid RCTs with proper end points in the healthy population for a reason). We know they cause an unnecessary strong response for most. You best hope it was not SMI if you had one of the stronger responses...
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    The shot did nothing to slow the spread. Arguably it enhanced the spread because people were told they would not get covid and therefore could not spread it. It was designed for a different spike. It is why so many were getting delta after they got the shot. By the time they wanted to jab kids unnecessarily...omicron was here. Talk about a joke for protection lol!
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    I was waiting on the new booster but covid found me first so now triple vax plus infection. Son got it, wife has not, thinking she must have had mild case previously that gave her some immunity against this variant
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Small studies don't often have large enough sample size to make an accurate conclusion. But larger studies don't have this restriction. This one that looked at over 500 school districts is certainly large enough. And the study found an increase in overall community COVID cases with schools on a hybrid schedule, and even higher with schools fully open.

    And not all schools are created equal. This study shows a 70% reduction in COVID spread with kids in masks, and 40% reduction with air scrubbers/cleaners.

    Regardless, even if there isn't scientific consensus, and there is doubt about school safety, the question becomes what is more important? The education of kids, or slowing the spread of a deadly virus? I'll take slowing the spread, which saves lives, which is the only thing I'll ever say is more important than education.
     
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  9. gator95

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    And people might wonder why I call a certain poster a grifter. Well, when presented with so much data showing schools didn't cause an increase in covid this grifter keeps doubling and tripling down. I'll continue to call it out.

    Schools didn't cause an increase in covid. PERIOD. Anyone telling you different is lying.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.19.21257467v1.full.pdf

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  10. mutz87

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    Been down this road about gbd and desantis. In both instances you cannot or have not produced anything to back up your belief only that it’s your preference


    Covid killed millions.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    Studies that don't agree with your preconceived opinions aren't garbage, and often times, different studies, with different methods can produce different results, even though they are attempting to answer the same question.

    But you keep on grifting believing you are 100% correct, and all the scientist, researchers, and academics who disagree with you are lying. The rest of us will continue to read the research and actually follow the data. Like the fact that schools opened across the country recently, mostly with no restrictions. Meanwhile, pediatric COVID hospitalization rate increased 5X recently, versus 3X for the general population. Or are the doctors at the American Academy of Pediatrics liars too?
     
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    Covid killed 0. Never isolated. No new disease. No unique symptoms. No remarkable autopsies.
     
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    Panic-induced PCR-based pseudo-epidemic with massive reclassification of deaths.
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    The lockdowns killed tens of millions along with all the other damage.

    And your main thing is you wanted people to take a shot. A shot that did not slow spread. A shot that harmed people. And a shot that was unnecessary for healthy people.

    In the process we have damaged the medicine. Destroyed public health. Created massive vaccine hesitancy for good drugs. The list goes on. But I am sure you feel your 4 shots (three?) were worth the damage done…
     
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  15. gator95

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    LOL. Anyone trying to say covid "hospitalizations" for kids is up is beyond stupid. No other way to say it. The sooner people learn with covid and because of covid the better. Only been 3 years...

    Still can't fix stupid.
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    Vaccine hesitancy will save lives.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    So all the pediatricians who are a part of the American Academy of Pediatrics is beyond stupid?!? Guess those 67,000 pediatricians should have not gone to years of school and done a residency. Should have just gone straight to the source, gator95, who knows all! So, when are you opening up your medical school?
     
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  18. Gatorrick22

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    Elon Musk's latest X-post... It's a 2 minute x-tweet. Play it with sound.

     
  19. FutureGatorMom

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    Oy. Ok, so you believed Biden when he reiterated what was told him given the information that we had at the time, but you don't believe anything else he has ever said. Got it.

    So you did or did not get tested for COVID? So you presumably had it and it wasn't anything worse than a cold. Good for you. You apparently are still on the young side, and have no comorbidity. It's anecdotal but I get it, however, many many people who decided it was all a lie and didn't get a vaccine died of COVID. The numbers don't lie, the vaccine drastically reduced people hosptialized and put on ventilators along with deaths. YOU might be ok, but again, there were too many people who didn't fit in the group who should be OK that died anyway.

    Broadway actor Nick Cordero dies at 41 after long battle with COVID-19.

    A Marathon Runner Who Was "The Picture Of Health" Has Died Of The Coronavirus

    https://x.com/CecilyTynan/status/1337912764879269888?s=20


    The numbers are the numbers and you cannot deny it changed everything when those who were responsible enough went and got vaccinated. Unless we still have people on ventilators in hospitals as we speak, but that would be yet another conspiracy theory.
     
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  20. FutureGatorMom

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    Anyone like to buy a Tesla Model 3 - fully loaded, pretty blue with white interior.