Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Here's your hard data on hospitalization for 18 and older. They break the age group up by 18 - 49. Look at the chart. Hospitalization rates in this age group is as high as 5X for the unvaccinated versus fully vaxxed. The Washington State data also breaks down, and again, the age breakdown there is 12 - 34, and the data shows hospitalization rate 2.9X for the unvaccinated.

Here's the data on the risk of myocarditis from infection versus vaccination. The risk from infection is 7X. The risk of a severe case causing MIS-C is also higher from infection.

Last, please effing stop telling me what to do with my kids. It's beyond obnoxious, and there's no way in hell I'm going to listen to an Internet moron like you over actual pediatricians, including my kids', other experts, and the actual data. If I have a simple engineering question, or a dental office question, I may turn to you. But on medical issues? I trust my cat over you.

 

Have to ask what you mean by "with vs "from" covid?

Haven't argued that the majority of deaths weren't older folks. What I am saying is that the risk for younger and healthy is a non-zero number, and high enough to warrant taking it seriously. If history has taught us anything it's that infectious disease can be indiscriminate and unpredictable.

 

I have $20 you and your cat will decide to not give another one of these shots to your kids…

 

As Dr. Fraiman said…he has not admitted a single patient since Feb of 2022 “for” Covid. Meaning Covid is the reason they were being hospitalized. He has admitted many “with” Covid. They had other reasons for being admitted but the hospital tests them and they come back positive. This is how you scare people into believing a disease is more dangerous than it is.

At the end of the day we are basically done with Covid hysteria. There are a very few still caught up by it. The problem is the idiots in public health/cdc/government that are wasting resources and unnecessarily spending billions to line the pockets of big pharma so we can just throw these drugs in the trash that very few will take.

It is mind boggling stupid where our guidance is today. The only real answer is big pharma. Just look at peer nations and their guidance today.

 

Just dropping this here …

“It seems like it should be easy peasy to disabuse people of nonsensical beliefs. But dang is that a mirage. Human psychology and ego based commitments, resistance to change & cognitive dissonance make it so much harder than it appears to be; often impossible.“

 

My cat is too smart to fall for your shenanigans.

 

And forgetting my cat for a moment, @QGator2414, what did you think of the data you asked for and I provided? In Washington State, using a 12 - 34 age range, unvaccinated were hospitalized 2.9X than the vaccinated. Using the JAMA printed research, using the age range 18 - 49, the rate ballooned to around 5X more hospitalized. How does this data fit with the claim people are being hospitalized with COVID, and not from COVID?

And how do you feel regarding the data from an amalgamation of studies showing the risk of myocarditis from infection is 7X greater than the risk from the vaccine? Any thoughts on safety signals? Or do you still contend that common side effects that occur from all vaccines should be considered safety signals, even though the COVID vaccine has similar rates of the common side effects as the flu vaccine, and less than the shingles vaccine?

 

I doubt it. Your cat is clearly smart enough to know how stupid the guidance is in this country.

 

That's not evidence of people dying with covid and not from covid.

I went to urgent care back in July for x-health issue. Doctors discovered later on x-health issue was caused by a virus. Does this mean that I wasn't experiencing x-health issue due to the virus?

How about when people have comorbidities in dying from covid? Like other infectious diseases, covid can exacerbate these other health problems and hasten death. This would make covid a cause or at least a contributing factor. You already implicitly recognize this having constantly pounded the table about older/less healthy with multiple comorbidities disproportionately dying from covid.

If you disagree, ask yourself why then do multiple comorbidities matter?

By the way, where is this alleged hysteria?

 

Hardly any young people are hospitalized “for” Covid. I don’t live in fear and look at data used to unnecessarily scare people like you. Your cat I am confident understands risk/harm analysis!

 

I interpret this as your unwillingness to provide the evidence I asked for?

Guess it's easier to make vague allusions.

 

Pretty simple. This virus is dangerous to those who are unhealthy. Especially in association with heart and vascular issues.

As I have said and I am confident you understand. The best way to protect yourself is to be healthy and work to live a healthy lifestyle. As you rightfully noted. My point on flossing has to do with health and the ability to fight Covid when you get it. There are specific bacteria in the mouth directly associated with heart disease. Making gum disease a vital issue that many don’t even think about. And there is a good chance they are not educated properly about the importance of getting their oral healthcare taken care of.

 

Why is covid dangerous to those who are unhealthy?

Your contention has been that these folks only die with covid. But in arguing this, you then completely eliminate any relationship between covid and those comorbidities, which is another way of saying that you don't think covid is dangerous despite also saying it's dangerous.

Think about it some more.

 

There are going to be some who just don't trust vaccines, even though we don't have to deal with many diseases that either crippled you or killed you anymore, because we had a vaccine. Carry on.

 

Grifter is including children in a sample size going up to 34 years old? Holy crap that useless info. Anyone using 12-34 as an age grouping is an idiot. Get better data. Grift on!

 

It is not dangerous to most. Granted we are an unhealthy nation. But instead of focusing on what really is the best way to fight Covid (fauci actually says what to do in an interview with Rubenstein back in 2019 right before Covid hit/might have been 2018 but pretty sure it was 2019). And it is do things to be healthy. Of course comorbidities are going to be an issue regardless of virus or even a bacterial infection. But this disease was not that dangerous to most. And our idiots in public health are pushing guidance that makes no sense in medicine or science. Bought by big pharma.

My dad is 72 and my mom 68. Both unvaccinated as they got the alpha version of Covid in August of 2020. My mom finally got Covid a second time. Not sure on my dad. But probably did. It was not that big a deal for them. These shots are not only dangerous imo. But bought by the pharma lobby. It makes no sense the way they were rolled out. The lack of studies (and studies we do have done by the companies themselves) with proper end points. And to continue with guidance you know is wrong.

It has to upset you that public health is making guidance this stupid! Jab a healthy 6 month old?!?!?! Most of our peer nations don’t even offer the shot anymore to people under 65 (some 55) outside some weird reason.

 

There are some who will never understand the difference in a respiratory virus like Covid and a disease like polio or even other viruses that do spread by droplets.

You will not vaccinate your way out of Covid. It is here to stay. Whether you continue to take a shot or not.

 

True, but it isn't the killer it once was because of the vaccine. The numbers don't lie in the months following the vaccine rollout.
We have a flue shot for a reason too.

 

Don't blame me. Blame the state of Washington. I'm using their numbers. Take your beef up with them.

And if young people are in the hospital with COVID and not because of COVID, how can you explain, @QGator2414 the Washington State data that shows from the 12-34 age group, the unvaccinated end up in the hospital 2.9X times more than the vaccinated? If people were under 40 were only hospitalized with COVID, and not because of COVID, then you would expect unvaccinated and vaccinated hospitalization rates to be very close to one-another. But that clearly isn't the case for both the WA data or the JAMA article data.

Oh, if you are interested in the 5-11 age group, the unvaccinated were hospitalized at 2.1X that of the vaccinated. And all this data makes sense. The older you get, the more protection the vaccine gives you from severe cases and death. But even at 5-11, the vaccine provides significant protection from hospitalization. 2.1X for the 5-11 age cohort, 2.9X for the 12 - 34 cohort, and 5X for the 18 - 49 cohort.